How can I check if a file can be created or truncated/overwritten in bash?









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The user calls my script with a file path that will be either be created or overwritten at some point in the script, like foo.sh file.txt or foo.sh dir/file.txt.



The create-or-overwrite behavior is much like the requirements for putting the file on the right side of the > output redirect operator, or passing it as an argument to tee (in fact, passing it as an argument to tee is exactly what I'm doing).



Before I get into the guts of the script, I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it. This check doesn't have to be perfect, and yes I realize that the situation can change between the check and the point where the file is actually written - but here I'm OK with a best effort type solution so I can bail out early in the case that the file path is invalid.



Examples of reasons the file couldn't created:



  • the file contains a directory component, like dir/file.txt but the directory dir doesn't exist

  • the user doens't have write permissions in the specified directory (or the CWD if no directory was specified

Yes, I realize that checking permissions "up front" is not The UNIX Way™, rather I should just try the operation and ask forgiveness later. In my particular script however, this leads to a bad user experience and I can't change the responsible component.










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  • Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
    – Jesse_b
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  • @Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
    – BeeOnRope
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  • @BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
    – Stéphane Chazelas
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  • @StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
    – BeeOnRope
    yesterday














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The user calls my script with a file path that will be either be created or overwritten at some point in the script, like foo.sh file.txt or foo.sh dir/file.txt.



The create-or-overwrite behavior is much like the requirements for putting the file on the right side of the > output redirect operator, or passing it as an argument to tee (in fact, passing it as an argument to tee is exactly what I'm doing).



Before I get into the guts of the script, I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it. This check doesn't have to be perfect, and yes I realize that the situation can change between the check and the point where the file is actually written - but here I'm OK with a best effort type solution so I can bail out early in the case that the file path is invalid.



Examples of reasons the file couldn't created:



  • the file contains a directory component, like dir/file.txt but the directory dir doesn't exist

  • the user doens't have write permissions in the specified directory (or the CWD if no directory was specified

Yes, I realize that checking permissions "up front" is not The UNIX Way™, rather I should just try the operation and ask forgiveness later. In my particular script however, this leads to a bad user experience and I can't change the responsible component.










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  • Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
    – Jesse_b
    yesterday










  • @Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
    – BeeOnRope
    yesterday










  • @BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    yesterday










  • @StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
    – BeeOnRope
    yesterday












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The user calls my script with a file path that will be either be created or overwritten at some point in the script, like foo.sh file.txt or foo.sh dir/file.txt.



The create-or-overwrite behavior is much like the requirements for putting the file on the right side of the > output redirect operator, or passing it as an argument to tee (in fact, passing it as an argument to tee is exactly what I'm doing).



Before I get into the guts of the script, I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it. This check doesn't have to be perfect, and yes I realize that the situation can change between the check and the point where the file is actually written - but here I'm OK with a best effort type solution so I can bail out early in the case that the file path is invalid.



Examples of reasons the file couldn't created:



  • the file contains a directory component, like dir/file.txt but the directory dir doesn't exist

  • the user doens't have write permissions in the specified directory (or the CWD if no directory was specified

Yes, I realize that checking permissions "up front" is not The UNIX Way™, rather I should just try the operation and ask forgiveness later. In my particular script however, this leads to a bad user experience and I can't change the responsible component.










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The user calls my script with a file path that will be either be created or overwritten at some point in the script, like foo.sh file.txt or foo.sh dir/file.txt.



The create-or-overwrite behavior is much like the requirements for putting the file on the right side of the > output redirect operator, or passing it as an argument to tee (in fact, passing it as an argument to tee is exactly what I'm doing).



Before I get into the guts of the script, I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it. This check doesn't have to be perfect, and yes I realize that the situation can change between the check and the point where the file is actually written - but here I'm OK with a best effort type solution so I can bail out early in the case that the file path is invalid.



Examples of reasons the file couldn't created:



  • the file contains a directory component, like dir/file.txt but the directory dir doesn't exist

  • the user doens't have write permissions in the specified directory (or the CWD if no directory was specified

Yes, I realize that checking permissions "up front" is not The UNIX Way™, rather I should just try the operation and ask forgiveness later. In my particular script however, this leads to a bad user experience and I can't change the responsible component.







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  • Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
    – Jesse_b
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  • @Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
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  • @BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
    – Stéphane Chazelas
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  • @StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
    – BeeOnRope
    yesterday
















  • Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
    – Jesse_b
    yesterday










  • @Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
    – BeeOnRope
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  • @BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    yesterday










  • @StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
    – BeeOnRope
    yesterday















Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
– Jesse_b
yesterday




Will the argument always be based on the current directory or could the user specify a full path?
– Jesse_b
yesterday












@Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
– BeeOnRope
yesterday




@Jesse_b - I suppose the user could specify an absolute path like /foo/bar/file.txt. Basically I pass the path to tee like tee $OUT_FILE where OUT_FILE is passed on the command line. That should "just work" with both absolute and relative paths, right?
– BeeOnRope
yesterday












@BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
– Stéphane Chazelas
yesterday




@BeeOnRope, no you'd need tee -- "$OUT_FILE" at least. What if the file already exists or exists but is not a regular file (directory, symlink, fifo)?
– Stéphane Chazelas
yesterday












@StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
– BeeOnRope
yesterday




@StéphaneChazelas - well I am using tee "$OUT_FILE.tmp". If the file already exists, tee overwrites, which is the desired behavior in this case. If it's a directory, tee will fail (I think). symlink I'm not 100% sure?
– BeeOnRope
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The obvious test would be:



if touch /path/to/file; then
: it can be created
fi


But it does actually create the file if it's not already there. We could clean up after ourselves:



if touch /path/to/file; then
rm /path/to/file
fi


But this would remove a file that already existed, which you probably don't want.



We do, however, have a way around this:



if mkdir /path/to/file; then
rmdir /path/to/file
fi


You can't have a directory with the same name as another object in that directory. I can't think of a situation in which you'd be able to create a directory but not create a file. After this test, your script would be free to create a conventional /path/to/file and do whatever it pleases with it.






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  • That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
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From what I'm gathering, you want to check that when using



tee -- "$OUT_FILE"


(note the -- or it wouldn't work for file names that start with -), tee would succeed to open the file for writing.



That is that:



  • the length of the file path doesn't exceed the PATH_MAX limit

  • the file exists (after symlink resolution) and is not of type directory and you have write permission to it.

  • if the file doesn't exist, the dirname of the file exists (after symlink resolution) as a directory and you have write and search permission to it and the filename length doesn't exceed the NAME_MAX limit of the filesystem that directory resides in.

  • or the file is a symlink that points to a file that doesn't exist and is not a symlink loop but meets the criteria just above

We'll ignore for now filesystems like vfat, ntfs or hfsplus that have limitations on what byte values file names may contain, disk quota, process limit, selinux, apparmor or other security mechanism in the way, full filesystem, no inode left, device files that can't be opened that way for a reason or another, files that are executables currently mapped in some process address space all of which could also affect the ability to open or create the file.



With zsh:



zmodload zsh/system
tee_would_likely_succeed()
local file=$1 ERRNO=0 LC_ALL=C
if [ -d "$file" ]; then
return 1 # directory
elif [ -w "$file" ]; then
return 0 # writable non-directory
elif [ -e "$file" ]; then
return 1 # exists, non-writable
elif [ "$errnos[ERRNO]" != ENOENT ]; then
return 1 # only ENOENT error can be recovered
else
local dir=$file:P:h base=$file:t
[ -d "$dir" ] && # directory
[ -w "$dir" ] && # writable
[ -x "$dir" ] && # and searchable
(($#base <= $(getconf -- NAME_MAX "$dir")))
return
fi



In bash or any Bourne-like shell, just replace the



zmodload zsh/system
tee_would_likely_succeed()
<zsh-code>



with:



tee_would_likely_succeed() 
zsh -s -- "$@" << 'EOF'
zmodload zsh/system
<zsh-code>
EOF






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  • Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
    – BeeOnRope
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  • Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
    – bishop
    5 hours ago










  • Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
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    2 hours ago










  • Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    1 hour ago










  • Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
    – Dennis Williamson
    36 mins ago

















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One option you might want to consider is creating the file early on but only populating it later in your script. You can use the exec command to open the file in a file descriptor (such as 3, 4, etc.) and then later use a redirection to a file descriptor (>&3, etc.) to write contents to that file.



Something like:



#!/bin/bash

# Open the file for read/write, so it doesn't get
# truncated just yet (to preserve the contents in
# case the initial checks fail.)
exec 3<>dir/file.txt ||
echo "Error creating dir/file.txt" >&2
exit 1


# Long checks here...
check_ok ||
echo "Failed checks" >&2
# cleanup file before bailing out
rm -f dir/file.txt
exit 1


# We're ready to write, first truncate the file.
# Use "truncate(1)" from coreutils, and pass it
# /dev/fd/3 so the file doesn't need to be reopened.
truncate -s 0 /dev/fd/3

# Now populate the file, use a redirection to write
# to the previously opened file descriptor.
populate_contents >&3


You can also use a trap to clean up the file on error, that's a common practice.



This way, you get a real check for permissions that you'll be able to create the file, while at the same time being able to perform it early enough that if that fails you haven't spent time waiting for the long checks.




UPDATED: In order to avoid clobbering the file in case the checks fail, use bash's fd<>file redirection which does not truncate the file right away. (We don't care about reading from the file, this is just a workaround so we don't truncate it. Appending with >> would probably just work too, but I tend to find this one a bit more elegant, keeping the O_APPEND flag out of the picture.)



When we're ready to replace the contents, we need to truncate the file first (otherwise if we're writing fewer bytes than there were in the file before, the trailing bytes would stay there.) We can use the truncate(1) command from coreutils for that purpose, and we can pass it the open file descriptor we have (using the /dev/fd/3 pseudo-file) so it doesn't need to reopen the file. (Again, technically something simpler like : >dir/file.txt would probably work, but not having to reopen the file is a more elegant solution.)






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  • I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
    – BeeOnRope
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  • Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
    – Filipe Brandenburger
    yesterday






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    @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
    – mosvy
    12 hours ago






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    @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
    – jpaugh
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    @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
    – Filipe Brandenburger
    4 hours ago

















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I think DopeGhoti's solution is better but this should also work:



file=$1
if [[ "$file:0:1" == '/' ]]; then
dir=$file%/*
elif [[ "$file" =~ .*/.* ]]; then
dir="$(PWD)/$file%/*"
else
dir=$(PWD)
fi

if [[ -w "$dir" ]]; then
echo "writable"
#do stuff with writable file
else
echo "not writable"
#do stuff without writable file
fi


The first if construct checks if the argument is a full path (starts with /) and sets the dir variable to the directory path up to the last /. Otherwise if the argument does not start with a / but does contain a / (specifying a sub directory) it will set dir to the present working directory + the sub directory path. Otherwise it assumes the present working directory. It then checks if that directory is writable.






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    You mentioned user experience was driving your question. I'll answer from a UX angle, since you've got good answers on the technical side.



    Rather than performing the check up-front, how about writing the results into a temporary file then at the very end, placing the results into the user's desired file? Like:



    userfile=$1:?Where would you like the file written?
    tmpfile=$(mktemp)

    # ... all the complicated stuff, writing into "$tmpfile"

    # fill user's file, keeping existing permissions or creating anew
    # while respecting umask
    cat "$tmpfile" > "$userfile"
    if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then
    rm "$tmpfile"
    else
    echo "Couldn't write results into $userfile." >&2
    echo "Results available in $tmpfile." >&2
    exit 1
    fi


    The good with this approach: it produces the desired operation in the normal happy path scenario, side-steps the test-and-set atomicity issue, preserves permissions of the target file while creating if necessary, and is dead simple to implement.



    Note: had we used mv, we'd be keeping the permissions of the temporary file -- we don't want that, I think: we want to keep the permissions as set on the target file.



    Now, the bad: it requires twice the space (cat .. > construct), forces the user to do some manual work if the target file wasn't writable at the time it needed to be, and leaves the temporary file laying around (which might have security or maintenance issues).






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    • In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
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    • Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
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    • In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
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    What about using normal test command like outlined below?



    FILE=$1

    DIR=$(dirname $FILE) # $DIR now contains '.' for file names only, 'foo' for 'foo/bar'

    if [ -d $DIR ] ; then
    echo "base directory $DIR for file exists"
    if [ -e $FILE ] ; then
    if [ -w $FILE ] ; then
    echo "file exists, is writeable"
    else
    echo "file exists, NOT writeable"
    fi
    elif [ -w $DIR ] ; then
    echo "directory is writeable"
    else
    echo "directory is NOT writeable"
    fi
    else
    echo "can NOT create file in non-existent directory $DIR "
    fi





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      TL;DR:



      : >> "$userfile"



      From the OP:




      I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it.




      And from your comment to my answer from a UX perspective:




      The overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user some concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.




      The only reliable test is to open(2) the file, because only that resolves every question about the writeability: path, ownership, filesystem, network, security context, etc. Any other test will address some part of writeability, but not others. If you want a subset of tests, you'll ultimately have to choose what's important to you.



      But here's another thought. From what I understand:



      1. the content creation process is long-running, and

      2. the target file should be left in a consistent state.

      You're wanting to do this pre-check because of #1, and you don't want to overwrite an existing file because of #2. So why don't you just ask the shell to open the file for appending, but don't actually append anything?



      $ tree -ps
      .
      ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
      ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
      ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
      └── [-rw------- 0] file_w

      $ for p in file_r dir_r/foo file_w dir_w/foo; do : >> $p; done
      -bash: file_r: Permission denied
      -bash: dir_r/foo: Permission denied

      $ tree -ps
      .
      ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
      ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
      │   └── [-rw-rw-r-- 0] foo
      ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
      └── [-rw------- 0] file_w


      Under the hood, this resolves the writeability question exactly as wanted:



      open("dir_w/foo", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = 3


      but without modifying the file's contents. Now, yes, this approach:



      • adjusts the file's modification time: you could mitigate that by storing the current value (from stat) then re-applying (via touch).

      • doesn't tell you if the file is append only, which might be a problem when you go about updating it at the end of your content creation. You can detect this, to a degree, with lsattr and react accordingly.

      • creates a file that didn't previously exist, if such is the case: mitigate this with a selective rm.

      While I contend (in my other answer) that the most user-friendly approach is to create a temporary file the user has to move, I think this is the least user-hostile approach to fully vet their input.






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        The obvious test would be:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        : it can be created
        fi


        But it does actually create the file if it's not already there. We could clean up after ourselves:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        rm /path/to/file
        fi


        But this would remove a file that already existed, which you probably don't want.



        We do, however, have a way around this:



        if mkdir /path/to/file; then
        rmdir /path/to/file
        fi


        You can't have a directory with the same name as another object in that directory. I can't think of a situation in which you'd be able to create a directory but not create a file. After this test, your script would be free to create a conventional /path/to/file and do whatever it pleases with it.






        share|improve this answer




















        • That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
          – jpaugh
          4 hours ago















        up vote
        7
        down vote













        The obvious test would be:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        : it can be created
        fi


        But it does actually create the file if it's not already there. We could clean up after ourselves:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        rm /path/to/file
        fi


        But this would remove a file that already existed, which you probably don't want.



        We do, however, have a way around this:



        if mkdir /path/to/file; then
        rmdir /path/to/file
        fi


        You can't have a directory with the same name as another object in that directory. I can't think of a situation in which you'd be able to create a directory but not create a file. After this test, your script would be free to create a conventional /path/to/file and do whatever it pleases with it.






        share|improve this answer




















        • That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
          – jpaugh
          4 hours ago













        up vote
        7
        down vote










        up vote
        7
        down vote









        The obvious test would be:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        : it can be created
        fi


        But it does actually create the file if it's not already there. We could clean up after ourselves:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        rm /path/to/file
        fi


        But this would remove a file that already existed, which you probably don't want.



        We do, however, have a way around this:



        if mkdir /path/to/file; then
        rmdir /path/to/file
        fi


        You can't have a directory with the same name as another object in that directory. I can't think of a situation in which you'd be able to create a directory but not create a file. After this test, your script would be free to create a conventional /path/to/file and do whatever it pleases with it.






        share|improve this answer












        The obvious test would be:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        : it can be created
        fi


        But it does actually create the file if it's not already there. We could clean up after ourselves:



        if touch /path/to/file; then
        rm /path/to/file
        fi


        But this would remove a file that already existed, which you probably don't want.



        We do, however, have a way around this:



        if mkdir /path/to/file; then
        rmdir /path/to/file
        fi


        You can't have a directory with the same name as another object in that directory. I can't think of a situation in which you'd be able to create a directory but not create a file. After this test, your script would be free to create a conventional /path/to/file and do whatever it pleases with it.







        share|improve this answer












        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer










        answered yesterday









        DopeGhoti

        42.2k55180




        42.2k55180











        • That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
          – jpaugh
          4 hours ago

















        • That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
          – jpaugh
          4 hours ago
















        That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
        – jpaugh
        4 hours ago





        That very neatly handles so many issues! A code comment explaining & justifying that unusual solution might well exceed the length of your answer. :-)
        – jpaugh
        4 hours ago













        up vote
        7
        down vote













        From what I'm gathering, you want to check that when using



        tee -- "$OUT_FILE"


        (note the -- or it wouldn't work for file names that start with -), tee would succeed to open the file for writing.



        That is that:



        • the length of the file path doesn't exceed the PATH_MAX limit

        • the file exists (after symlink resolution) and is not of type directory and you have write permission to it.

        • if the file doesn't exist, the dirname of the file exists (after symlink resolution) as a directory and you have write and search permission to it and the filename length doesn't exceed the NAME_MAX limit of the filesystem that directory resides in.

        • or the file is a symlink that points to a file that doesn't exist and is not a symlink loop but meets the criteria just above

        We'll ignore for now filesystems like vfat, ntfs or hfsplus that have limitations on what byte values file names may contain, disk quota, process limit, selinux, apparmor or other security mechanism in the way, full filesystem, no inode left, device files that can't be opened that way for a reason or another, files that are executables currently mapped in some process address space all of which could also affect the ability to open or create the file.



        With zsh:



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        local file=$1 ERRNO=0 LC_ALL=C
        if [ -d "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # directory
        elif [ -w "$file" ]; then
        return 0 # writable non-directory
        elif [ -e "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # exists, non-writable
        elif [ "$errnos[ERRNO]" != ENOENT ]; then
        return 1 # only ENOENT error can be recovered
        else
        local dir=$file:P:h base=$file:t
        [ -d "$dir" ] && # directory
        [ -w "$dir" ] && # writable
        [ -x "$dir" ] && # and searchable
        (($#base <= $(getconf -- NAME_MAX "$dir")))
        return
        fi



        In bash or any Bourne-like shell, just replace the



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        <zsh-code>



        with:



        tee_would_likely_succeed() 
        zsh -s -- "$@" << 'EOF'
        zmodload zsh/system
        <zsh-code>
        EOF






        share|improve this answer






















        • Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
          – bishop
          5 hours ago










        • Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
          – D. Ben Knoble
          2 hours ago










        • Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
          – Stéphane Chazelas
          1 hour ago










        • Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
          – Dennis Williamson
          36 mins ago














        up vote
        7
        down vote













        From what I'm gathering, you want to check that when using



        tee -- "$OUT_FILE"


        (note the -- or it wouldn't work for file names that start with -), tee would succeed to open the file for writing.



        That is that:



        • the length of the file path doesn't exceed the PATH_MAX limit

        • the file exists (after symlink resolution) and is not of type directory and you have write permission to it.

        • if the file doesn't exist, the dirname of the file exists (after symlink resolution) as a directory and you have write and search permission to it and the filename length doesn't exceed the NAME_MAX limit of the filesystem that directory resides in.

        • or the file is a symlink that points to a file that doesn't exist and is not a symlink loop but meets the criteria just above

        We'll ignore for now filesystems like vfat, ntfs or hfsplus that have limitations on what byte values file names may contain, disk quota, process limit, selinux, apparmor or other security mechanism in the way, full filesystem, no inode left, device files that can't be opened that way for a reason or another, files that are executables currently mapped in some process address space all of which could also affect the ability to open or create the file.



        With zsh:



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        local file=$1 ERRNO=0 LC_ALL=C
        if [ -d "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # directory
        elif [ -w "$file" ]; then
        return 0 # writable non-directory
        elif [ -e "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # exists, non-writable
        elif [ "$errnos[ERRNO]" != ENOENT ]; then
        return 1 # only ENOENT error can be recovered
        else
        local dir=$file:P:h base=$file:t
        [ -d "$dir" ] && # directory
        [ -w "$dir" ] && # writable
        [ -x "$dir" ] && # and searchable
        (($#base <= $(getconf -- NAME_MAX "$dir")))
        return
        fi



        In bash or any Bourne-like shell, just replace the



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        <zsh-code>



        with:



        tee_would_likely_succeed() 
        zsh -s -- "$@" << 'EOF'
        zmodload zsh/system
        <zsh-code>
        EOF






        share|improve this answer






















        • Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
          – bishop
          5 hours ago










        • Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
          – D. Ben Knoble
          2 hours ago










        • Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
          – Stéphane Chazelas
          1 hour ago










        • Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
          – Dennis Williamson
          36 mins ago












        up vote
        7
        down vote










        up vote
        7
        down vote









        From what I'm gathering, you want to check that when using



        tee -- "$OUT_FILE"


        (note the -- or it wouldn't work for file names that start with -), tee would succeed to open the file for writing.



        That is that:



        • the length of the file path doesn't exceed the PATH_MAX limit

        • the file exists (after symlink resolution) and is not of type directory and you have write permission to it.

        • if the file doesn't exist, the dirname of the file exists (after symlink resolution) as a directory and you have write and search permission to it and the filename length doesn't exceed the NAME_MAX limit of the filesystem that directory resides in.

        • or the file is a symlink that points to a file that doesn't exist and is not a symlink loop but meets the criteria just above

        We'll ignore for now filesystems like vfat, ntfs or hfsplus that have limitations on what byte values file names may contain, disk quota, process limit, selinux, apparmor or other security mechanism in the way, full filesystem, no inode left, device files that can't be opened that way for a reason or another, files that are executables currently mapped in some process address space all of which could also affect the ability to open or create the file.



        With zsh:



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        local file=$1 ERRNO=0 LC_ALL=C
        if [ -d "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # directory
        elif [ -w "$file" ]; then
        return 0 # writable non-directory
        elif [ -e "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # exists, non-writable
        elif [ "$errnos[ERRNO]" != ENOENT ]; then
        return 1 # only ENOENT error can be recovered
        else
        local dir=$file:P:h base=$file:t
        [ -d "$dir" ] && # directory
        [ -w "$dir" ] && # writable
        [ -x "$dir" ] && # and searchable
        (($#base <= $(getconf -- NAME_MAX "$dir")))
        return
        fi



        In bash or any Bourne-like shell, just replace the



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        <zsh-code>



        with:



        tee_would_likely_succeed() 
        zsh -s -- "$@" << 'EOF'
        zmodload zsh/system
        <zsh-code>
        EOF






        share|improve this answer














        From what I'm gathering, you want to check that when using



        tee -- "$OUT_FILE"


        (note the -- or it wouldn't work for file names that start with -), tee would succeed to open the file for writing.



        That is that:



        • the length of the file path doesn't exceed the PATH_MAX limit

        • the file exists (after symlink resolution) and is not of type directory and you have write permission to it.

        • if the file doesn't exist, the dirname of the file exists (after symlink resolution) as a directory and you have write and search permission to it and the filename length doesn't exceed the NAME_MAX limit of the filesystem that directory resides in.

        • or the file is a symlink that points to a file that doesn't exist and is not a symlink loop but meets the criteria just above

        We'll ignore for now filesystems like vfat, ntfs or hfsplus that have limitations on what byte values file names may contain, disk quota, process limit, selinux, apparmor or other security mechanism in the way, full filesystem, no inode left, device files that can't be opened that way for a reason or another, files that are executables currently mapped in some process address space all of which could also affect the ability to open or create the file.



        With zsh:



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        local file=$1 ERRNO=0 LC_ALL=C
        if [ -d "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # directory
        elif [ -w "$file" ]; then
        return 0 # writable non-directory
        elif [ -e "$file" ]; then
        return 1 # exists, non-writable
        elif [ "$errnos[ERRNO]" != ENOENT ]; then
        return 1 # only ENOENT error can be recovered
        else
        local dir=$file:P:h base=$file:t
        [ -d "$dir" ] && # directory
        [ -w "$dir" ] && # writable
        [ -x "$dir" ] && # and searchable
        (($#base <= $(getconf -- NAME_MAX "$dir")))
        return
        fi



        In bash or any Bourne-like shell, just replace the



        zmodload zsh/system
        tee_would_likely_succeed()
        <zsh-code>



        with:



        tee_would_likely_succeed() 
        zsh -s -- "$@" << 'EOF'
        zmodload zsh/system
        <zsh-code>
        EOF







        share|improve this answer














        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer








        edited 1 hour ago

























        answered yesterday









        Stéphane Chazelas

        292k54545886




        292k54545886











        • Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
          – bishop
          5 hours ago










        • Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
          – D. Ben Knoble
          2 hours ago










        • Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
          – Stéphane Chazelas
          1 hour ago










        • Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
          – Dennis Williamson
          36 mins ago
















        • Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
          – bishop
          5 hours ago










        • Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
          – D. Ben Knoble
          2 hours ago










        • Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
          – Stéphane Chazelas
          1 hour ago










        • Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
          – Dennis Williamson
          36 mins ago















        Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
        – BeeOnRope
        yesterday




        Yes, you understood my intent correctly. In fact, the original question was unclear: I originally spoke about creating the file, but actually I am using it with tee so the requirement is really that the file can be created if it doesn't exist, or can be truncated to zero and overwritten if it does (or however else tee handles that).
        – BeeOnRope
        yesterday












        Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
        – bishop
        5 hours ago




        Question's tagged as bash, though, which doesn't have $errnos equivalent AFAIK.
        – bishop
        5 hours ago












        Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
        – D. Ben Knoble
        2 hours ago




        Looks like your last edit wiped the formatting
        – D. Ben Knoble
        2 hours ago












        Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        1 hour ago




        Thanks, @​bishop, @D.BenKnoble, see edit.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        1 hour ago












        Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
        – Dennis Williamson
        36 mins ago




        Your Bash example requires that zsh is installed. If so, just use zsh directly.
        – Dennis Williamson
        36 mins ago










        up vote
        6
        down vote













        One option you might want to consider is creating the file early on but only populating it later in your script. You can use the exec command to open the file in a file descriptor (such as 3, 4, etc.) and then later use a redirection to a file descriptor (>&3, etc.) to write contents to that file.



        Something like:



        #!/bin/bash

        # Open the file for read/write, so it doesn't get
        # truncated just yet (to preserve the contents in
        # case the initial checks fail.)
        exec 3<>dir/file.txt ||
        echo "Error creating dir/file.txt" >&2
        exit 1


        # Long checks here...
        check_ok ||
        echo "Failed checks" >&2
        # cleanup file before bailing out
        rm -f dir/file.txt
        exit 1


        # We're ready to write, first truncate the file.
        # Use "truncate(1)" from coreutils, and pass it
        # /dev/fd/3 so the file doesn't need to be reopened.
        truncate -s 0 /dev/fd/3

        # Now populate the file, use a redirection to write
        # to the previously opened file descriptor.
        populate_contents >&3


        You can also use a trap to clean up the file on error, that's a common practice.



        This way, you get a real check for permissions that you'll be able to create the file, while at the same time being able to perform it early enough that if that fails you haven't spent time waiting for the long checks.




        UPDATED: In order to avoid clobbering the file in case the checks fail, use bash's fd<>file redirection which does not truncate the file right away. (We don't care about reading from the file, this is just a workaround so we don't truncate it. Appending with >> would probably just work too, but I tend to find this one a bit more elegant, keeping the O_APPEND flag out of the picture.)



        When we're ready to replace the contents, we need to truncate the file first (otherwise if we're writing fewer bytes than there were in the file before, the trailing bytes would stay there.) We can use the truncate(1) command from coreutils for that purpose, and we can pass it the open file descriptor we have (using the /dev/fd/3 pseudo-file) so it doesn't need to reopen the file. (Again, technically something simpler like : >dir/file.txt would probably work, but not having to reopen the file is a more elegant solution.)






        share|improve this answer






















        • I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          yesterday






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
          – mosvy
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
          – jpaugh
          5 hours ago







        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          4 hours ago














        up vote
        6
        down vote













        One option you might want to consider is creating the file early on but only populating it later in your script. You can use the exec command to open the file in a file descriptor (such as 3, 4, etc.) and then later use a redirection to a file descriptor (>&3, etc.) to write contents to that file.



        Something like:



        #!/bin/bash

        # Open the file for read/write, so it doesn't get
        # truncated just yet (to preserve the contents in
        # case the initial checks fail.)
        exec 3<>dir/file.txt ||
        echo "Error creating dir/file.txt" >&2
        exit 1


        # Long checks here...
        check_ok ||
        echo "Failed checks" >&2
        # cleanup file before bailing out
        rm -f dir/file.txt
        exit 1


        # We're ready to write, first truncate the file.
        # Use "truncate(1)" from coreutils, and pass it
        # /dev/fd/3 so the file doesn't need to be reopened.
        truncate -s 0 /dev/fd/3

        # Now populate the file, use a redirection to write
        # to the previously opened file descriptor.
        populate_contents >&3


        You can also use a trap to clean up the file on error, that's a common practice.



        This way, you get a real check for permissions that you'll be able to create the file, while at the same time being able to perform it early enough that if that fails you haven't spent time waiting for the long checks.




        UPDATED: In order to avoid clobbering the file in case the checks fail, use bash's fd<>file redirection which does not truncate the file right away. (We don't care about reading from the file, this is just a workaround so we don't truncate it. Appending with >> would probably just work too, but I tend to find this one a bit more elegant, keeping the O_APPEND flag out of the picture.)



        When we're ready to replace the contents, we need to truncate the file first (otherwise if we're writing fewer bytes than there were in the file before, the trailing bytes would stay there.) We can use the truncate(1) command from coreutils for that purpose, and we can pass it the open file descriptor we have (using the /dev/fd/3 pseudo-file) so it doesn't need to reopen the file. (Again, technically something simpler like : >dir/file.txt would probably work, but not having to reopen the file is a more elegant solution.)






        share|improve this answer






















        • I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          yesterday






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
          – mosvy
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
          – jpaugh
          5 hours ago







        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          4 hours ago












        up vote
        6
        down vote










        up vote
        6
        down vote









        One option you might want to consider is creating the file early on but only populating it later in your script. You can use the exec command to open the file in a file descriptor (such as 3, 4, etc.) and then later use a redirection to a file descriptor (>&3, etc.) to write contents to that file.



        Something like:



        #!/bin/bash

        # Open the file for read/write, so it doesn't get
        # truncated just yet (to preserve the contents in
        # case the initial checks fail.)
        exec 3<>dir/file.txt ||
        echo "Error creating dir/file.txt" >&2
        exit 1


        # Long checks here...
        check_ok ||
        echo "Failed checks" >&2
        # cleanup file before bailing out
        rm -f dir/file.txt
        exit 1


        # We're ready to write, first truncate the file.
        # Use "truncate(1)" from coreutils, and pass it
        # /dev/fd/3 so the file doesn't need to be reopened.
        truncate -s 0 /dev/fd/3

        # Now populate the file, use a redirection to write
        # to the previously opened file descriptor.
        populate_contents >&3


        You can also use a trap to clean up the file on error, that's a common practice.



        This way, you get a real check for permissions that you'll be able to create the file, while at the same time being able to perform it early enough that if that fails you haven't spent time waiting for the long checks.




        UPDATED: In order to avoid clobbering the file in case the checks fail, use bash's fd<>file redirection which does not truncate the file right away. (We don't care about reading from the file, this is just a workaround so we don't truncate it. Appending with >> would probably just work too, but I tend to find this one a bit more elegant, keeping the O_APPEND flag out of the picture.)



        When we're ready to replace the contents, we need to truncate the file first (otherwise if we're writing fewer bytes than there were in the file before, the trailing bytes would stay there.) We can use the truncate(1) command from coreutils for that purpose, and we can pass it the open file descriptor we have (using the /dev/fd/3 pseudo-file) so it doesn't need to reopen the file. (Again, technically something simpler like : >dir/file.txt would probably work, but not having to reopen the file is a more elegant solution.)






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        One option you might want to consider is creating the file early on but only populating it later in your script. You can use the exec command to open the file in a file descriptor (such as 3, 4, etc.) and then later use a redirection to a file descriptor (>&3, etc.) to write contents to that file.



        Something like:



        #!/bin/bash

        # Open the file for read/write, so it doesn't get
        # truncated just yet (to preserve the contents in
        # case the initial checks fail.)
        exec 3<>dir/file.txt ||
        echo "Error creating dir/file.txt" >&2
        exit 1


        # Long checks here...
        check_ok ||
        echo "Failed checks" >&2
        # cleanup file before bailing out
        rm -f dir/file.txt
        exit 1


        # We're ready to write, first truncate the file.
        # Use "truncate(1)" from coreutils, and pass it
        # /dev/fd/3 so the file doesn't need to be reopened.
        truncate -s 0 /dev/fd/3

        # Now populate the file, use a redirection to write
        # to the previously opened file descriptor.
        populate_contents >&3


        You can also use a trap to clean up the file on error, that's a common practice.



        This way, you get a real check for permissions that you'll be able to create the file, while at the same time being able to perform it early enough that if that fails you haven't spent time waiting for the long checks.




        UPDATED: In order to avoid clobbering the file in case the checks fail, use bash's fd<>file redirection which does not truncate the file right away. (We don't care about reading from the file, this is just a workaround so we don't truncate it. Appending with >> would probably just work too, but I tend to find this one a bit more elegant, keeping the O_APPEND flag out of the picture.)



        When we're ready to replace the contents, we need to truncate the file first (otherwise if we're writing fewer bytes than there were in the file before, the trailing bytes would stay there.) We can use the truncate(1) command from coreutils for that purpose, and we can pass it the open file descriptor we have (using the /dev/fd/3 pseudo-file) so it doesn't need to reopen the file. (Again, technically something simpler like : >dir/file.txt would probably work, but not having to reopen the file is a more elegant solution.)







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        edited 22 hours ago

























        answered yesterday









        Filipe Brandenburger

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        • I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          yesterday






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
          – mosvy
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
          – jpaugh
          5 hours ago







        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          4 hours ago
















        • I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
          – BeeOnRope
          yesterday










        • Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          yesterday






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
          – mosvy
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
          – jpaugh
          5 hours ago







        • 1




          @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
          – Filipe Brandenburger
          4 hours ago















        I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
        – BeeOnRope
        yesterday




        I had considered this, but the problem is that if another innocent error occurs somewhere between when I create the file and the point some time later where I would write to it, the user will probably be upset to find out that the specified file was overwritten.
        – BeeOnRope
        yesterday












        Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
        – Filipe Brandenburger
        yesterday




        Hmmm, interesting... I had this idea of using set -o noclobber, in which case it would fail if the file already existed... But then I don't think it's possible to differentiate failure due to permissions (abort script) from failure due to file already existing (in which case you'd like to proceed and later overwrite the file.) If this was C or Python, etc., it's just a matter of opening the file with O_EXCL and looking for error EEXIST (permissions are fine, but file already exists) from EACCES (permission denied)... But not sure that can be done in bash...
        – Filipe Brandenburger
        yesterday




        1




        1




        @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
        – mosvy
        12 hours ago




        @BeeOnRope another option that won't clobber the file is to try to append nothing to it: echo -n >>file or true >> file. Of course, ext4 has append-only files, but you could live with that false positive.
        – mosvy
        12 hours ago




        1




        1




        @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
        – jpaugh
        5 hours ago





        @BeeOnRope If you need to preserve either (a) the existing file or (b) the (complete) new file, that's a different question than you have asked. A good answer to it is to move the existing file to a new name (e.g. my-file.txt.backup) before creating the new one. Another solution is to write the new file to a temporary file in the same folder, and then copy it over the old file after the rest of the script succeeds --- if that last operation failed, the user could manually fix the issue without losing his or her progress.
        – jpaugh
        5 hours ago





        1




        1




        @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
        – Filipe Brandenburger
        4 hours ago




        @BeeOnRope If you go for the "atomic replace" route (which is a good one!) then typically you'll want to write the temporary file in the same directory as the final file (they need to be in the same filesystem for rename(2) to succeed) and use a unique name (so if there are two instances of the script running, they won't clobber each other's temporary files.) Opening a temporary file for writing in the same directory is usually a good indication you'll be able to rename it later (well, except if the final target exists and is a directory), so to some extent it also addresses your question.
        – Filipe Brandenburger
        4 hours ago










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        I think DopeGhoti's solution is better but this should also work:



        file=$1
        if [[ "$file:0:1" == '/' ]]; then
        dir=$file%/*
        elif [[ "$file" =~ .*/.* ]]; then
        dir="$(PWD)/$file%/*"
        else
        dir=$(PWD)
        fi

        if [[ -w "$dir" ]]; then
        echo "writable"
        #do stuff with writable file
        else
        echo "not writable"
        #do stuff without writable file
        fi


        The first if construct checks if the argument is a full path (starts with /) and sets the dir variable to the directory path up to the last /. Otherwise if the argument does not start with a / but does contain a / (specifying a sub directory) it will set dir to the present working directory + the sub directory path. Otherwise it assumes the present working directory. It then checks if that directory is writable.






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          up vote
          3
          down vote













          I think DopeGhoti's solution is better but this should also work:



          file=$1
          if [[ "$file:0:1" == '/' ]]; then
          dir=$file%/*
          elif [[ "$file" =~ .*/.* ]]; then
          dir="$(PWD)/$file%/*"
          else
          dir=$(PWD)
          fi

          if [[ -w "$dir" ]]; then
          echo "writable"
          #do stuff with writable file
          else
          echo "not writable"
          #do stuff without writable file
          fi


          The first if construct checks if the argument is a full path (starts with /) and sets the dir variable to the directory path up to the last /. Otherwise if the argument does not start with a / but does contain a / (specifying a sub directory) it will set dir to the present working directory + the sub directory path. Otherwise it assumes the present working directory. It then checks if that directory is writable.






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            up vote
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            up vote
            3
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            I think DopeGhoti's solution is better but this should also work:



            file=$1
            if [[ "$file:0:1" == '/' ]]; then
            dir=$file%/*
            elif [[ "$file" =~ .*/.* ]]; then
            dir="$(PWD)/$file%/*"
            else
            dir=$(PWD)
            fi

            if [[ -w "$dir" ]]; then
            echo "writable"
            #do stuff with writable file
            else
            echo "not writable"
            #do stuff without writable file
            fi


            The first if construct checks if the argument is a full path (starts with /) and sets the dir variable to the directory path up to the last /. Otherwise if the argument does not start with a / but does contain a / (specifying a sub directory) it will set dir to the present working directory + the sub directory path. Otherwise it assumes the present working directory. It then checks if that directory is writable.






            share|improve this answer












            I think DopeGhoti's solution is better but this should also work:



            file=$1
            if [[ "$file:0:1" == '/' ]]; then
            dir=$file%/*
            elif [[ "$file" =~ .*/.* ]]; then
            dir="$(PWD)/$file%/*"
            else
            dir=$(PWD)
            fi

            if [[ -w "$dir" ]]; then
            echo "writable"
            #do stuff with writable file
            else
            echo "not writable"
            #do stuff without writable file
            fi


            The first if construct checks if the argument is a full path (starts with /) and sets the dir variable to the directory path up to the last /. Otherwise if the argument does not start with a / but does contain a / (specifying a sub directory) it will set dir to the present working directory + the sub directory path. Otherwise it assumes the present working directory. It then checks if that directory is writable.







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            answered yesterday









            Jesse_b

            10.6k22661




            10.6k22661




















                up vote
                3
                down vote













                You mentioned user experience was driving your question. I'll answer from a UX angle, since you've got good answers on the technical side.



                Rather than performing the check up-front, how about writing the results into a temporary file then at the very end, placing the results into the user's desired file? Like:



                userfile=$1:?Where would you like the file written?
                tmpfile=$(mktemp)

                # ... all the complicated stuff, writing into "$tmpfile"

                # fill user's file, keeping existing permissions or creating anew
                # while respecting umask
                cat "$tmpfile" > "$userfile"
                if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then
                rm "$tmpfile"
                else
                echo "Couldn't write results into $userfile." >&2
                echo "Results available in $tmpfile." >&2
                exit 1
                fi


                The good with this approach: it produces the desired operation in the normal happy path scenario, side-steps the test-and-set atomicity issue, preserves permissions of the target file while creating if necessary, and is dead simple to implement.



                Note: had we used mv, we'd be keeping the permissions of the temporary file -- we don't want that, I think: we want to keep the permissions as set on the target file.



                Now, the bad: it requires twice the space (cat .. > construct), forces the user to do some manual work if the target file wasn't writable at the time it needed to be, and leaves the temporary file laying around (which might have security or maintenance issues).






                share|improve this answer






















                • In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                  – BeeOnRope
                  9 hours ago










                • Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                  – bishop
                  9 hours ago











                • In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                  – BeeOnRope
                  8 hours ago















                up vote
                3
                down vote













                You mentioned user experience was driving your question. I'll answer from a UX angle, since you've got good answers on the technical side.



                Rather than performing the check up-front, how about writing the results into a temporary file then at the very end, placing the results into the user's desired file? Like:



                userfile=$1:?Where would you like the file written?
                tmpfile=$(mktemp)

                # ... all the complicated stuff, writing into "$tmpfile"

                # fill user's file, keeping existing permissions or creating anew
                # while respecting umask
                cat "$tmpfile" > "$userfile"
                if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then
                rm "$tmpfile"
                else
                echo "Couldn't write results into $userfile." >&2
                echo "Results available in $tmpfile." >&2
                exit 1
                fi


                The good with this approach: it produces the desired operation in the normal happy path scenario, side-steps the test-and-set atomicity issue, preserves permissions of the target file while creating if necessary, and is dead simple to implement.



                Note: had we used mv, we'd be keeping the permissions of the temporary file -- we don't want that, I think: we want to keep the permissions as set on the target file.



                Now, the bad: it requires twice the space (cat .. > construct), forces the user to do some manual work if the target file wasn't writable at the time it needed to be, and leaves the temporary file laying around (which might have security or maintenance issues).






                share|improve this answer






















                • In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                  – BeeOnRope
                  9 hours ago










                • Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                  – bishop
                  9 hours ago











                • In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                  – BeeOnRope
                  8 hours ago













                up vote
                3
                down vote










                up vote
                3
                down vote









                You mentioned user experience was driving your question. I'll answer from a UX angle, since you've got good answers on the technical side.



                Rather than performing the check up-front, how about writing the results into a temporary file then at the very end, placing the results into the user's desired file? Like:



                userfile=$1:?Where would you like the file written?
                tmpfile=$(mktemp)

                # ... all the complicated stuff, writing into "$tmpfile"

                # fill user's file, keeping existing permissions or creating anew
                # while respecting umask
                cat "$tmpfile" > "$userfile"
                if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then
                rm "$tmpfile"
                else
                echo "Couldn't write results into $userfile." >&2
                echo "Results available in $tmpfile." >&2
                exit 1
                fi


                The good with this approach: it produces the desired operation in the normal happy path scenario, side-steps the test-and-set atomicity issue, preserves permissions of the target file while creating if necessary, and is dead simple to implement.



                Note: had we used mv, we'd be keeping the permissions of the temporary file -- we don't want that, I think: we want to keep the permissions as set on the target file.



                Now, the bad: it requires twice the space (cat .. > construct), forces the user to do some manual work if the target file wasn't writable at the time it needed to be, and leaves the temporary file laying around (which might have security or maintenance issues).






                share|improve this answer














                You mentioned user experience was driving your question. I'll answer from a UX angle, since you've got good answers on the technical side.



                Rather than performing the check up-front, how about writing the results into a temporary file then at the very end, placing the results into the user's desired file? Like:



                userfile=$1:?Where would you like the file written?
                tmpfile=$(mktemp)

                # ... all the complicated stuff, writing into "$tmpfile"

                # fill user's file, keeping existing permissions or creating anew
                # while respecting umask
                cat "$tmpfile" > "$userfile"
                if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then
                rm "$tmpfile"
                else
                echo "Couldn't write results into $userfile." >&2
                echo "Results available in $tmpfile." >&2
                exit 1
                fi


                The good with this approach: it produces the desired operation in the normal happy path scenario, side-steps the test-and-set atomicity issue, preserves permissions of the target file while creating if necessary, and is dead simple to implement.



                Note: had we used mv, we'd be keeping the permissions of the temporary file -- we don't want that, I think: we want to keep the permissions as set on the target file.



                Now, the bad: it requires twice the space (cat .. > construct), forces the user to do some manual work if the target file wasn't writable at the time it needed to be, and leaves the temporary file laying around (which might have security or maintenance issues).







                share|improve this answer














                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer








                edited 9 hours ago

























                answered 9 hours ago









                bishop

                1,8732819




                1,8732819











                • In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                  – BeeOnRope
                  9 hours ago










                • Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                  – bishop
                  9 hours ago











                • In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                  – BeeOnRope
                  8 hours ago

















                • In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                  – BeeOnRope
                  9 hours ago










                • Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                  – bishop
                  9 hours ago











                • In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                  – BeeOnRope
                  8 hours ago
















                In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                – BeeOnRope
                9 hours ago




                In fact, this is more or less what I'm doing now. I write most of the results to a temporary file and then at the end do the final processing step and write the results to the final file. The problem is I want to bail out early (at the start of the script) if that final step is likely to fail. The script may run unattended for minutes or hours, so you really want to know up front that it is doomed to fail!
                – BeeOnRope
                9 hours ago












                Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                – bishop
                9 hours ago





                Sure, but there are so many ways this could fail: disk could fill, upstream directory could be removed, permissions could change, target file might be used for some other important stuff and the user forgot he assigned that same file to be destroyed by this operation. If we talk about this from a pure UX perspective, then perhaps the right thing to do is treat it like a job submission: at the end, when you know it worked correctly to completion, just tell the user where the resulting content resides and offer a suggested command for them to move it themselves.
                – bishop
                9 hours ago













                In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                – BeeOnRope
                8 hours ago





                In theory, yes there are infinite ways this could fail. In practice, the overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user from concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.
                – BeeOnRope
                8 hours ago











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                What about using normal test command like outlined below?



                FILE=$1

                DIR=$(dirname $FILE) # $DIR now contains '.' for file names only, 'foo' for 'foo/bar'

                if [ -d $DIR ] ; then
                echo "base directory $DIR for file exists"
                if [ -e $FILE ] ; then
                if [ -w $FILE ] ; then
                echo "file exists, is writeable"
                else
                echo "file exists, NOT writeable"
                fi
                elif [ -w $DIR ] ; then
                echo "directory is writeable"
                else
                echo "directory is NOT writeable"
                fi
                else
                echo "can NOT create file in non-existent directory $DIR "
                fi





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                  What about using normal test command like outlined below?



                  FILE=$1

                  DIR=$(dirname $FILE) # $DIR now contains '.' for file names only, 'foo' for 'foo/bar'

                  if [ -d $DIR ] ; then
                  echo "base directory $DIR for file exists"
                  if [ -e $FILE ] ; then
                  if [ -w $FILE ] ; then
                  echo "file exists, is writeable"
                  else
                  echo "file exists, NOT writeable"
                  fi
                  elif [ -w $DIR ] ; then
                  echo "directory is writeable"
                  else
                  echo "directory is NOT writeable"
                  fi
                  else
                  echo "can NOT create file in non-existent directory $DIR "
                  fi





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                    up vote
                    1
                    down vote









                    What about using normal test command like outlined below?



                    FILE=$1

                    DIR=$(dirname $FILE) # $DIR now contains '.' for file names only, 'foo' for 'foo/bar'

                    if [ -d $DIR ] ; then
                    echo "base directory $DIR for file exists"
                    if [ -e $FILE ] ; then
                    if [ -w $FILE ] ; then
                    echo "file exists, is writeable"
                    else
                    echo "file exists, NOT writeable"
                    fi
                    elif [ -w $DIR ] ; then
                    echo "directory is writeable"
                    else
                    echo "directory is NOT writeable"
                    fi
                    else
                    echo "can NOT create file in non-existent directory $DIR "
                    fi





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                    What about using normal test command like outlined below?



                    FILE=$1

                    DIR=$(dirname $FILE) # $DIR now contains '.' for file names only, 'foo' for 'foo/bar'

                    if [ -d $DIR ] ; then
                    echo "base directory $DIR for file exists"
                    if [ -e $FILE ] ; then
                    if [ -w $FILE ] ; then
                    echo "file exists, is writeable"
                    else
                    echo "file exists, NOT writeable"
                    fi
                    elif [ -w $DIR ] ; then
                    echo "directory is writeable"
                    else
                    echo "directory is NOT writeable"
                    fi
                    else
                    echo "can NOT create file in non-existent directory $DIR "
                    fi






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                    Jaleks

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                        TL;DR:



                        : >> "$userfile"



                        From the OP:




                        I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it.




                        And from your comment to my answer from a UX perspective:




                        The overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user some concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.




                        The only reliable test is to open(2) the file, because only that resolves every question about the writeability: path, ownership, filesystem, network, security context, etc. Any other test will address some part of writeability, but not others. If you want a subset of tests, you'll ultimately have to choose what's important to you.



                        But here's another thought. From what I understand:



                        1. the content creation process is long-running, and

                        2. the target file should be left in a consistent state.

                        You're wanting to do this pre-check because of #1, and you don't want to overwrite an existing file because of #2. So why don't you just ask the shell to open the file for appending, but don't actually append anything?



                        $ tree -ps
                        .
                        ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                        ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                        ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                        └── [-rw------- 0] file_w

                        $ for p in file_r dir_r/foo file_w dir_w/foo; do : >> $p; done
                        -bash: file_r: Permission denied
                        -bash: dir_r/foo: Permission denied

                        $ tree -ps
                        .
                        ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                        ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                        │   └── [-rw-rw-r-- 0] foo
                        ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                        └── [-rw------- 0] file_w


                        Under the hood, this resolves the writeability question exactly as wanted:



                        open("dir_w/foo", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = 3


                        but without modifying the file's contents. Now, yes, this approach:



                        • adjusts the file's modification time: you could mitigate that by storing the current value (from stat) then re-applying (via touch).

                        • doesn't tell you if the file is append only, which might be a problem when you go about updating it at the end of your content creation. You can detect this, to a degree, with lsattr and react accordingly.

                        • creates a file that didn't previously exist, if such is the case: mitigate this with a selective rm.

                        While I contend (in my other answer) that the most user-friendly approach is to create a temporary file the user has to move, I think this is the least user-hostile approach to fully vet their input.






                        share|improve this answer
























                          up vote
                          0
                          down vote













                          TL;DR:



                          : >> "$userfile"



                          From the OP:




                          I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it.




                          And from your comment to my answer from a UX perspective:




                          The overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user some concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.




                          The only reliable test is to open(2) the file, because only that resolves every question about the writeability: path, ownership, filesystem, network, security context, etc. Any other test will address some part of writeability, but not others. If you want a subset of tests, you'll ultimately have to choose what's important to you.



                          But here's another thought. From what I understand:



                          1. the content creation process is long-running, and

                          2. the target file should be left in a consistent state.

                          You're wanting to do this pre-check because of #1, and you don't want to overwrite an existing file because of #2. So why don't you just ask the shell to open the file for appending, but don't actually append anything?



                          $ tree -ps
                          .
                          ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                          ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                          ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                          └── [-rw------- 0] file_w

                          $ for p in file_r dir_r/foo file_w dir_w/foo; do : >> $p; done
                          -bash: file_r: Permission denied
                          -bash: dir_r/foo: Permission denied

                          $ tree -ps
                          .
                          ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                          ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                          │   └── [-rw-rw-r-- 0] foo
                          ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                          └── [-rw------- 0] file_w


                          Under the hood, this resolves the writeability question exactly as wanted:



                          open("dir_w/foo", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = 3


                          but without modifying the file's contents. Now, yes, this approach:



                          • adjusts the file's modification time: you could mitigate that by storing the current value (from stat) then re-applying (via touch).

                          • doesn't tell you if the file is append only, which might be a problem when you go about updating it at the end of your content creation. You can detect this, to a degree, with lsattr and react accordingly.

                          • creates a file that didn't previously exist, if such is the case: mitigate this with a selective rm.

                          While I contend (in my other answer) that the most user-friendly approach is to create a temporary file the user has to move, I think this is the least user-hostile approach to fully vet their input.






                          share|improve this answer






















                            up vote
                            0
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            0
                            down vote









                            TL;DR:



                            : >> "$userfile"



                            From the OP:




                            I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it.




                            And from your comment to my answer from a UX perspective:




                            The overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user some concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.




                            The only reliable test is to open(2) the file, because only that resolves every question about the writeability: path, ownership, filesystem, network, security context, etc. Any other test will address some part of writeability, but not others. If you want a subset of tests, you'll ultimately have to choose what's important to you.



                            But here's another thought. From what I understand:



                            1. the content creation process is long-running, and

                            2. the target file should be left in a consistent state.

                            You're wanting to do this pre-check because of #1, and you don't want to overwrite an existing file because of #2. So why don't you just ask the shell to open the file for appending, but don't actually append anything?



                            $ tree -ps
                            .
                            ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                            ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                            ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                            └── [-rw------- 0] file_w

                            $ for p in file_r dir_r/foo file_w dir_w/foo; do : >> $p; done
                            -bash: file_r: Permission denied
                            -bash: dir_r/foo: Permission denied

                            $ tree -ps
                            .
                            ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                            ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                            │   └── [-rw-rw-r-- 0] foo
                            ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                            └── [-rw------- 0] file_w


                            Under the hood, this resolves the writeability question exactly as wanted:



                            open("dir_w/foo", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = 3


                            but without modifying the file's contents. Now, yes, this approach:



                            • adjusts the file's modification time: you could mitigate that by storing the current value (from stat) then re-applying (via touch).

                            • doesn't tell you if the file is append only, which might be a problem when you go about updating it at the end of your content creation. You can detect this, to a degree, with lsattr and react accordingly.

                            • creates a file that didn't previously exist, if such is the case: mitigate this with a selective rm.

                            While I contend (in my other answer) that the most user-friendly approach is to create a temporary file the user has to move, I think this is the least user-hostile approach to fully vet their input.






                            share|improve this answer












                            TL;DR:



                            : >> "$userfile"



                            From the OP:




                            I want to make a reasonable check if the file can be created/overwritten, but not actually create it.




                            And from your comment to my answer from a UX perspective:




                            The overwhelming majority of the time this fails is because the path provided is not valid. I can't reasonably prevent some rogue user some concurrently modifying the FS to break the job in the middle of the operation, but I certainly can check the #1 failure cause of an invalid or not writable path.




                            The only reliable test is to open(2) the file, because only that resolves every question about the writeability: path, ownership, filesystem, network, security context, etc. Any other test will address some part of writeability, but not others. If you want a subset of tests, you'll ultimately have to choose what's important to you.



                            But here's another thought. From what I understand:



                            1. the content creation process is long-running, and

                            2. the target file should be left in a consistent state.

                            You're wanting to do this pre-check because of #1, and you don't want to overwrite an existing file because of #2. So why don't you just ask the shell to open the file for appending, but don't actually append anything?



                            $ tree -ps
                            .
                            ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                            ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                            ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                            └── [-rw------- 0] file_w

                            $ for p in file_r dir_r/foo file_w dir_w/foo; do : >> $p; done
                            -bash: file_r: Permission denied
                            -bash: dir_r/foo: Permission denied

                            $ tree -ps
                            .
                            ├── [dr-x------ 4096] dir_r
                            ├── [drwx------ 4096] dir_w
                            │   └── [-rw-rw-r-- 0] foo
                            ├── [-r-------- 0] file_r
                            └── [-rw------- 0] file_w


                            Under the hood, this resolves the writeability question exactly as wanted:



                            open("dir_w/foo", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = 3


                            but without modifying the file's contents. Now, yes, this approach:



                            • adjusts the file's modification time: you could mitigate that by storing the current value (from stat) then re-applying (via touch).

                            • doesn't tell you if the file is append only, which might be a problem when you go about updating it at the end of your content creation. You can detect this, to a degree, with lsattr and react accordingly.

                            • creates a file that didn't previously exist, if such is the case: mitigate this with a selective rm.

                            While I contend (in my other answer) that the most user-friendly approach is to create a temporary file the user has to move, I think this is the least user-hostile approach to fully vet their input.







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