Metal Gear Rex and Ray ( Pre-Carbon Nanotube upgrade )

vs

Basalisk, Chrysalis, Pupa, Cocoon and Zeke

Battle takes place here

Rules

• Rex is piloted by Snake and Ray is piloted by Liquid


• Start 200 feet away from each other


• Fully functional and undamaged

Bonus Round

Gekkos join team 2, what difference do they make?

Either Rex or Ray would likely solo since they’re piloted by the Snakes.

Even if they weren’t being piloted, I’d still think the more modern Metal Gears should win rather easily.

EDIT: Been a while since I’ve played Peace Walker though.

@tparks: Peacewalker could potentially give Ray and Rex a good fight because of the EM pulse which makes it practically immune to missile weaponry, while also possessing close quarters combat capabilities as it appears. Cocoon seemed to possess anti tank weaponry, and the Chrysalis possesses a giant Railgun which I'd imagine is more than potent enough to penetrate their armor, given how Railguns are often portrayed as the deadliest weapons in Metal Gear.

@red_ruby_petal: The conventional weaponry from the Peacewalker Gears wouldn't be as effective on Rex and Ray as vice versa and both Rex and Ray have some other nasty weaponry, like lasers. Since the Metal Gears also have pilots with knowledge of/against giant machines, I think that would be an advantage for Team 1.

Big advantage for Team 2 are numbers though, but especially Ray would be difficult to tag.

All in all I give the majority to the Snakes, due to overall more modern weaponry and experience from the pilots, but the Peacewalker Gears wouldn't make it easy and also win a few rounds.

Taking out the pilots factor, the modern Gears are still a lot more powerful for a variety of reasons. Big Boss was able to battle these mechs with an assault rifle, but Otacon said that he built REX's armor so that nothing short of a HEAT missile even has a chance of scratching the surface. Solid Snake's FAMAS is literally useless against REX. The EM Pulse is only temporary and probably wouldn't impede REX and RAY's lasers, cannons, and CQC capabilities. The Chrysalis might be the trickiest foe here because it can fly, moves extremely fast, and like you said has a great Railgun.

@the_hajduk:

Taking out the pilots factor, the modern Gears are still a lot more powerful for a variety of reasons. Big Boss was able to battle these mechs with an assault rifle, but Otacon said that he built REX's armor so that nothing short of a HEAT missile even has a chance of scratching the surface. Solid Snake's FAMAS is literally useless against REX. The EM Pulse is only temporary and probably wouldn't impede REX and RAY's lasers, cannons, and CQC capabilities. The Chrysalis might be the trickiest foe here because it can fly, moves extremely fast, and like you said has a great Railgun.

But he didn't take them out, he only did enough damage to cause them to malfunction. Much like Rex where you aim at the pod, you are supposed to aim at Peacewalker's pod. Moreover they stated anything short of a nuke could take out Peacewalker in time.

@red_ruby_petal: Causing them to malfunction would be enough to keep them out of commission though and considering that both Snakes know about Rex weakness in the Radome, they would most likely open fire on the obvious targets on all four Gears. And then comes the factor of superior weaponry in play. The pods were damaged by an assault rifle, a Vulcan cannon should shred them easily.

@rac95: They explicitly mentioned that the pods would have taken a nuke to actually put it out of commission. During that cutscene the bullets ricochet when he tries to hit the pod.

Snake never destroyed it, he only caused it to go haywire at one point and we don't know if he only used an assault rifle. The game wants you to use rocket launchers for it just to aim at that one specific weak point. Not even counting the airstrikes and Snake's ownership of mother base.

@red_ruby_petal: Wouldn't Rex be a great counter due to his own Railgun?

@rac95: His railgun doesn't really act as a railgun though. Its a stealth nuke.

@red_ruby_petal: But the raw power behind it could be good, if you allow it to be used like Crying Wolfs Railgun and take projectiles instead of nukes

@rac95: Crying wolf's railgun is portable so its potency is like 50 times smaller compared to Zeke's or the chrysalis. A regular railgun was stated to be as strong as a tank shell IIRC.

The idea was not to use Crying Wolfs railgun directly, it was more an idea what would happen if REX is allowed to use his railgun as projectile weapon like she does. If REX could use his own railgun as a real cannon instead of nuke launcher his destructive potential should be comparable to Zeke or Chrysalis

@rac95: I mean yeah but just to point out there, I have a feeling thats going to shred the Metal Gears apart and it seems most people were already siding with Rex and Ray.

@red_ruby_petal: Railgun vs Railgun is basically just a question of who shoots first and takes the other side out.

@rac95: I don't think it could one shot though but the damage would be sizable.

@red_ruby_petal: Probably enough to allow the other team member(s) to take damaged unit out.

90 % of the weapons on both sides are otherwise useless, since conventional weaponry won't damage any side significantly

@rac95: Frankly its Rex and Ray that actually have the legit means to take down Metal Gears. Ray in a sense that its sole purpose was to fight Metal Gears. Rex by virtue of being able to take down Ray and a bunch anti tank weaponry made to pierce armor.

@red_ruby_petal: I think the lasers could be the actual downfall of the A.I. Gears. Although I want to see Rex trying to kick the Cocoon...

@rac95:

Although I want to see Rex trying to kick the Cocoon...

Thats quite interesting.

Come to think of it, I might wanna add Zeke to the equation since it seems to heavily favor Rex and Ray. The other PW Metal Gears don't seem to factor much besides PeaceWalker and Chrysalis.

@red_ruby_petal: Zeke would be a challenge, because he is kind of a hybrid of all members, but he is also a bit like a watered down Rex, so Ray should be able to take him.

In the group it would up the challenge though, simply by the destructive potential that would be added with a second railgun and the other tricks

@rac95: Zeke is a lot faster and more mobile than Rex. Also the arsenal is different. Comparing Zeke and Rex is apples and oranges

@red_ruby_petal: Ray also (should) be faster and Zeke has, as mentioned, a hybrid equipment, but Rex is constructed sturdier, hence the assumption that Ray should be able to take him.

@rac95: I see what you mean though. Considering Zeke’s arsenal it feels like mobility favors Zeke more including its thrusters

True, but I think at this point comes fact that both Rex and Ray actually have experienced pilots into play, which is IMO the biggest advantage. And Ray is quite nimble himself, he can jump pretty good (pun intended) under Ocelots control

@rac95:

Whats amazing about Zeke is how good its AI is. It can actually learn and adapt through the battlefield IIRC. Too bad we couldn't see anymore of Zeke.

@red_ruby_petal: Zeke with A.I is more dangerous as Zeke with Pacifica as pilot

EDIT: As good as Zekes AI is, I don't think it could outsmart Snake and Liquid before they can beat him

@rac95:

Zeke with A.I is more dangerous as Zeke with Pacifica as pilot

Zeke with full AI upgrades is literally the most mobile Metal Gear I have ever seen. Its Railgun fire shoots at rapid, its sidesteps more often, it runs a lot faster. Been a while but apparently it attempts to predict your attacks just like cocoon does. You can't just run in one direction you actually have time move opposite on its 3rd railgun shot. It also shoots down your mines. If its attacks are working Zeke actually spams it.

Its been a while but I've always been baffled by how smart Zeke is. Its like the smartest game AI I've personally experienced. I'd like to see more of that.

@red_ruby_petal: That was actually one of the best parts of Peace Walker IMO.