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CW Ra's Al Ghul and Oliver Queen vs MCU Cap and Stick















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#1
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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#10
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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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#18
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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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#21
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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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CW Ra's Al Ghul and Oliver Queen vs MCU Cap and Stick















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#1
Posted by

YouShallNotPass
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- 5 months, 23 days ago
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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BladeOfFury
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- 5 months, 23 days ago
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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#3
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RBT
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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#10
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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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#18
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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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#21
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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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CW Ra's Al Ghul and Oliver Queen vs MCU Cap and Stick















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#1
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- 5 months, 23 days ago
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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BladeOfFury
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- 5 months, 23 days ago
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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#3
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RBT
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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#10
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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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#18
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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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#21
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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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#1
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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#3
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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#10
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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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#18
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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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#21
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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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#3
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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#11
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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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#13
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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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#18
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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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#20
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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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#21
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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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#22
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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield














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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.












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#3
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?












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#4
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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.












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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.












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#6
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Ras solos, what is this?












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#7
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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.












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#8
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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.












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#9
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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.












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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?












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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.












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#12
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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.
















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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse












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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.












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#15
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?












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#16
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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.












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#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.












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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.












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#19
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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.












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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.












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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.












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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.










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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield










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#1
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield










#1
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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield









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All in street clothes


Ras, Ollie and Stick are all armed with swords


Cap has his shield











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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.








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#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.








#2
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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.







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Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.









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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?








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#3
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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?








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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?







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@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?





@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.





@bladeoffury said:


Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.









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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.








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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.








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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.







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@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?




They can all one-shot each other if they land a clean shot, the swordsmen with their swords, and Cap with his shield. The difference is that the shield provides much better protection as well, and that combined with Cap's strength and resistance to team 1's blunt force attacks, and he becomes the most powerful player. Stick, on the other hand, is worse than Oliver in every way, and Ra's outclasses him in skill.


This can really go both ways.





@rbt said:



@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?






@rbt said:




@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.



Why is Stick a weak link against swordsmen? Wouldn't he be more suited to counter Ra's or Oliver than Cap would?





@bladeoffury said:

Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.




Team 1 in a very tough fight, Stick is a weak link.













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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.








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#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.








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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.







#5
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Team 1 wins in a good fight.


Ra's can take down Cap through raw speed and skill with a blade, and the blade will also mean that Cap's physicals will be less of an issue (durability and strength become irrelevent outside of possible shield blocks from Cap). He can dance around the shield and land hits with the sword.


Oliver definitely takes down Stick in a sword fight, he's more skilled and much better physically.









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Ras solos, what is this?








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Ras solos, what is this?








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Ras solos, what is this?







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Ras solos, what is this?









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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.








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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.








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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.







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Stick is on the same tier as Oliver and Ra's in sword fighting imo. He holds one of them off.


The other one can probably beat Cap.









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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.








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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.








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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.







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Team MCU stomps.


Stick beat Black sky twice. He can definitely at the very least hold his own or most likely beat either one. Cap stomps whoever he faces.









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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.








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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.








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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.







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@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.









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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?








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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?








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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?







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@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.



Why would Oliver be better than Ra's at sword fighting?





@youshallnotpass said:

@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.





@youshallnotpass said:


@thehunter: Not Ras. Maybe Oliver though.









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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.








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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.








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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.







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@thehunter: He meant that he might be on Oliver's level but not Ra's.









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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.












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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.












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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.











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@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.









@firestormfate1919 said:


Team 1 wins in a good fight.







@firestormfate1919 said:



Team 1 wins in a good fight.











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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse








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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse








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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse







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Steve easily has the best weapon here, he can potentially solo. Giving him Stick makes this even worse









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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.








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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.








#14
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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.







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Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.









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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?








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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?








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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?







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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



Why?


Becasue he has never fought a proper swordsmen?





@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.





@rbt said:


Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.









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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.








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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.








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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.







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@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.



I still think Steve will give some trouble. In his defensive mode with his shield he'll be tough to tag.





@rbt said:

Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.





@rbt said:


Same shit all over again. Cap's a weak link.









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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.








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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.








#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.







#17
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@tonymartial: It's not a mismatch or anything, but Stick is certainly more suited to fight Ra's or Oliver.









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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.








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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.








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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.







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@payneintheass: Because of multiple reasons. Both on team 1 are faster than Cap, have better reach and are far more skilled. Not to mention, even one hit from either is going to seriously injure him.









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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.








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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.








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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.







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@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.









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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.








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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.








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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.







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The MCU team wins.


I don't know how Steve vs Ra's would go. I could make a case for either, Ra's has a reach advantage and probably a skill edge, but Steve only needs to grab the sword once and it's over, and his fight with Panther puts him around the same level of fighting ability considering the latter has feats on par with Ra's best skill showing (his training session). If I had to choose I'd go with Rogers.


Stick beats Oliver. His showing against the Black Sky is more than enough. Her enhansed speed is pretty much the only reason she won that exchange IMO.









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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.








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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.








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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.







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@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.




I think Stick is more fit to fight here than Steve.





@payneintheass said:


@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.






@payneintheass said:



@rbt: Eh you are probably right, I just can´t make my mind around the whole sword vs shield thing.


And I don´t think Cap´s a weak link either. Not at all.










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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.








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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.








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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.







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Ra's can absolutely take Steve, he's faster, has a reach advantage, and is massively more skilled. Oliver vs. Stick would be a solid fight, but overall I'd give it to Ollie, he certainly is physically superior in every aspect by a decent margin, and he should be slightly more skill given his performance against Ra's and then his improvement in later seasons.









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