The infernal demon goes against the brightest star in the universe.

Battle takes place in an asteroid belt. They are one AU apart.

Morals off.

Win by death or incapacitation.

1st. Round Speed Equalized

2nd. No restrictions.

Sailor Moon.

Can someone give me some feats for sailor moon?

@goldchamp101:

In the second arc, Sailor Moon destroys the super planet, Nemesis, which is technically a star because it has a fusion core. She cancelled out a Universal time-space manipulator's spacetime manipulation. She also learned to ability to send her power throughout space and time.

In the Third Arc, she completely reconstructs the planet Earth after it was turned to dead world by Sailor Saturn.

At the end of the fourth Arc, She becomes Eternal Sailor Moon. She accumulates power that is atleast 3x the energy of the universe. She then uses that power (Starlight Honeymoon) to destroy Queen Nehellenia and her mirror world. The mirror world is called an alternate world that has it's own constellations and is alluded to be a parallel universe. The power of her destroying Queen Nehellenia and becoming Eternal Sailor Moon traveled through the entire universe and spacetime.

During the fifth arc, she one-shot 8 beings (the evil-versions of Sailor Senshi) that were easily tanking her attack StarLight Honeymoon. (Sailor Venus did so with just her hand) which would mean she posses atleast 24x energy of the universe. She then was said to have the power to destroy the Galaxy Cauldron, the source of creation in sailor moon. The Galaxy Cauldron holds the power to create the universe as it is and several times over (seeing as it created atleast 3 crystals equivalent with energy of the universe). She chose not to destroy but to cleanse it of Chaos ( a being who fused himself with it). She then reset the galaxy by ressurecting all the fallen sailor Soldiers and the planets Sailor Galaxia destroyed.

She's also calc to be 820 billion times faster than light. (Is most likely faster, the calc is based on Chibi-Usa flying to the center of the galaxy from earth in a second at the most; sailor moon her self flew to the middle of the galaxy from outside the galaxy itself)

She possess soul manipulation, has planet level mind resistance, and bounced back from having all her memories erased. She can resurrect people at will. Can seal people away into objects. She's immune to soul steal and power stealing, when that was done to her she just reformed her power.

Dormancy wins.

If what @agent9149 said about Sailor Moon is true then I'm backing her.

@agent9149:

Since you seem to be an expert on sailor moon would these feats be close to her level?

@goldchamp101: If I can get some clarification on what's happening, Dormammu did something to eternity and he's being distorted and causing pure chaos across the fabric of space time?

if my assumption is correct, that's very impressive. Sailor Moon was able to stop someone who did that to the timespace, even going so far as to cancel out the effects.

Also, it shows him coming to his demise being crushed by two spheres that erupt in an explosion greater than a thousand suns. That's something eternal sailor moon can easily reproduce.

Also the second scan with Scarlet witch, Sailor Moon can reproduce that feat.

For the first scan he sealead Eternity into a ball.

Eh, basically. He was destroying Eternity's essence and Eternity is everything.

@agent9149:

As @goldchamp101 said, he imprisoned Eternity in the ball of mystic energy until Dr Strange came and cut the power source, freeing Eternity. Not that he is more powerful than Eternity (as he did it to an unaware Eternity) but Eternity himself acknowledged being imprisoned by him. In their fight countless worlds within Eternity himself were being destroyed, and the actual scale of the worlds within are unknown. As for the scale of the attack at the end, the term "greater than 1,000 exploding suns" was used to describe the blinding light of the attack not its actual power. It should also be noted he survived it rather fine.

Here is Dormammu destroying the Dark Dimension (and it's not the only time he has shown able to do it). A universe stated by Dr Strange to be more vast than their own (more confirmation is the Hell Lords saying his realm is such in scale at least equal to all of theirs combined).

Also that scan with SW can't be reproduced because it was plot related and involved an item he used in place of his power which is voided on earth (something he did himself with an oath). And still required him being unaware.

And a lot of those things involving ESM are statements (hyperbole or otherwise) and things involving defeating people are assumptions as to what the scope really is. Things don't always add up the way you're implying, improper powerscaling. So far I have found people in respect threads (even looked through suggested scans and read some choice issues online myself) and on forums and such putting her "directly affected by power" level on that of solar system (and even that is a jumped to conclusion based on destroying a star, even Silver Surfer can do that). And her durability shown at least somewhere above planet level, but to the specific level seems to be assumption.

All those hax abilities she's known for are things easily within his ability to do, same with his immunity to them. He's been able to create actual dimensions with his power. Loki in fact with a portion of his power did the same, creating a dimension with its own stars and planets. He has conquered entire universes. Even succeeded with Earth 616 in Amazing Spider-Man vol 2 #58, where all the heroes are dead and his influence is felt everywhere.

I dont know enough about this incarnation of Sailor Moon.

Possibly Dormammu

@jrupert1:

Also that scan with SW can't be reproduced because it was plot related and involved an item he used in place of his power which is voided on earth (something he did himself with an oath). And still required him being unaware.

Sailor Moon has the power to do exactly like that item did.

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act48/019.jpg

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act48/020.jpg

Queen Serenity did it back in the pass, and as Sailor Moon who has the silver crystal and has completely mastered and unlocked it by becoming Eternal Sailor Moon can do it the same way.

And your information on Sailor Moon is extremely false. Sailor Moon was solar system level in her base form at the end of the second Arc. She became Multi-Star in her base form by the Third Arc and grew stronger as Super Sailor Moon in the Fourth arc and was at Multi-Galactic level. By the end of the Fourth and Fifth Arc she becomes Universal+.

@agent9149: That item allowed him, who couldn't enter earth and use his powers (due to his oath) the ability to warp reality on at least a universal scale, and merge two universes (that are far from neighboring mind you). Then through plot the energies of the Evil Eye turned on Dormammu when he wasn't aware (this fact is key). Without that, this thing being done to him is not happening. You think because someone can seal or drain it can simply be done on him? He himself can drain and seal, and more... while being unaffected by, and able to overpower others who can do those same things. It would only mean anything, and this itself is a stretch, it were an applicable feat. In that she can do it because she wields the power over him to do it. I'm sure the Infinitely Gauntlet could seal him, would that mean she could because that item could do it?

As for the rest. Let's see her power directly... do those things. If you do this, which I haven't seen anyone else do in regards to ESM then we have something more interesting here. As it stands, at best there's baseless numbers calculated to mean something and the use of things like "she beat this person who once did this, or she destroyed that which is responsible for the creation of all of that." Because if that were the case Dweller-In-Darkness brought an end to the universe by destroying an item that contains within it a galaxy that connects all realities. Making him severely universal+, and let's not forget this guy is less powerful than Dormmamu. Likewise, even Mephisto can destroy galaxies, Dormammu is significantly above him, in fact he created a Hell Lord himself easily on par (if not more powerful based off of feats) with him.

By her actual directly affected power, that is what has been seen. There are statements and such that potentially put her at galaxy+, as intent on conquering galaxies (remember Dormammu conquers universes) and such but nothing like what I'm talking about, nothing like Dormammu has done. Defeating people who have done galaxy involving things doesn't exactly prove it.

There's a reason people often don't like these kinds of matchups that include Mangas with vague feats and statements where people have to make assumptions to conclude certain things (power-scaling that involves equations to things that are themself vague and not inherent). Simply put things aren't as crystal clear, and this has been pointed out many times in battles on here. There's a reason that what you're proclaiming truth for the character is something hugely debated even among the fans. But even if it were, it doesn't exactly put her above him.

Dormammu stomps.

@jrupert1:

That item allowed him, who couldn't enter earth and use his powers (due to his oath) the ability to warp reality on at least a universal scale, and merge two universes (that are far from neighboring mind you). Then through plot the energies of the Evil Eye turned on Dormammu when he wasn't aware (this fact is key). Without that, this thing being done to him is not happening. You think because someone can seal or drain it can simply be done on him? He himself can drain and seal, and more... while being unaffected by, and able to overpower others who can do those same things. It would only mean anything, and this itself is a stretch, it were an applicable feat. In that she can do it because she wields the power over him to do it. I'm sure the Infinitely Gauntlet could seal him, would that mean she could because that item could do it?

So basically, you're saying no one else can do that to him because it's plot-justu? That's silly logic. Sailor Moon has that power to take absorb and seal people. It was done to Queen Nehellenia who rules over her mirror world, a dark parallel universe. Sailor Moon also destroyed Queen Nehellenia and her mirror world putting her at Universal Level and that's not even end of series yet.

She also defeated Chaos who was completely merged with creation itself, the Galaxy Cauldron. And she can destroy creation itself as well.

As for the rest. Let's see her power directly... do those things. If you do this, which I haven't seen anyone else do in regards to ESM then we have something more interesting here. As it stands, at best there's baseless numbers calculated to mean something and the use of things like "she beat this person who once did this, or she destroyed that which is responsible for the creation of all of that." Because if that were the case Dweller-In-Darkness brought an end to the universe by destroying an item that contains within it a galaxy that connects all realities. Making him severely universal+, and let's not forget this guy is less powerful than Dormmamu. Likewise, even Mephisto can destroy galaxies, Dormammu is significantly above him, in fact he created a Hell Lord himself easily on par (if not more powerful based off of feats) with him.

Baseless numbers calculated? You're really full of it. Your whole argument against Sailor Moon is to downplay her feats.

She destroyed a universal being and it's respective universe and this show of power could be seen through out the entire universe and spacetime. Has the power to destroy the source of creation, not a item with an ability, but an actual Cosmological object that operates on a multiversal level.

By her actual directly affected power, that is what has been seen. There are statements and such that potentially put her at galaxy+, as intent on conquering galaxies (remember Dormammu conquers universes) and such but nothing like what I'm talking about, nothing like Dormammu has done. Defeating people who have done galaxy involving things doesn't exactly prove it.

The statements AND her feats put her at universal+ level. The she's galaxy plus is a misconception based on how she reseted the galaxy at the end of the series. She's shown much greater power than that. And this isn't even her most final form yet!

There's a reason people often don't like these kinds of matchups that include Mangas with vague feats and statements where people have to make assumptions to conclude certain things (power-scaling that involves equations to things that are themself vague and not inherent). Simply put things aren't as crystal clear, and this has been pointed out many times in battles on here. There's a reason that what you're proclaiming truth for the character is something hugely debated even among the fans. But even if it were, it doesn't exactly put her above him.

Basically, you don't know what your'e talking about. You've never read Sailor Moon so, I don't know why you think you can speak on it. "These things are vague." No they're not read the goddman story.

@agent9149: No, just that there's nothing to suggest she alone could do it to him. How are you not getting this? He can do those same things, and others who can do them can't just do it to him. You're not understanding the character or what happened. Which makes me wonder how you can understand anything that happens in Sailor Moon.

My argument against her is not lowballing her feats, but that you have shown nothing. You have statements and assumptions and things that don't directly tie into one another. Including but not limited to the "she defeated so and so, so it proves it" excuse. Silver Surfer for example has been shown capable of destroying stars and doing other such things as to show him operating on solar system level, but it is known that it most definitely doesn't require such things to beat him.

What I have given you was the opportunity to show something... you haven't. Dormammu has conquered universes, he has shown the power to destroy them, he has shown the ability to create dimensions, he has been shown able to create beings that are at minimum galaxy+. I could flood this thread with scans of all these things and they'll be far more clear in depicting what actually happens.

And no, I don't regularly read Sailor Moon, I had a little prior knowledge of it but what I do have is sense enough to research. There are a dozen sites to read comics and manga online. I have done that, even going to the choice selections people have pointed out to highlight her best things. I have scoured fansites and forums, respect threads and battles. You're presenting arguments with no knowledge of a character (yet you use that argument against me?) and can't wrap your head around the context to a scan and understand why it doesn't automatically apply to her being able to do the same. And that's what your defense has narrowed down to.

And what I said at the end is true. There'll be a thread and someone will mention things, like you are, and not really back it up. At best they're throw some scans out there that are ambiguous at best and say "see it clearly shows this" but even with those "facts" it's so vague the majority of people will look at them and say "uh... no it doesn't." That just happens to be the nature of it. If it were so cut and dry then there wouldn't be a debate about it among fans, and people wouldn't need to question it when they read it. But they do and you can't really deny that. She's a powerful character, I'm not denying it. Against many foes she'd be considered "hax" but this foe has those same abilities and has proven himself to be on the level I have stated.

You haven't supported anything you said or debunked anything I did. Your response to basically everything is "nuh uh." I don't think anything more can come from this discourse. But it's really my fault for it going this way, I was warned.

Here's the scan referring to Queen Nehellenia's mirror world, referring to the world behind the mirror as a dark parallel universe. Chibi-Usa is retelling stories that Neo Queen Serenity (sailor moon's future self told her), this story is talking about Queen Nehellenia and the dark moon.

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act39/026.jpg

Here's another scan of the source collections calling Nehellenia's mirror world an alterante world that is separate from reality and that it shows constellations inside of it.

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_materialscollection/materials070.png

Here is Eternal Sailor Moon destroying Queen Nehellenia and the mirror world and destroying all remnants of her in Elysion.

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/011.jpg

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/031.jpg

Then in the fifth arc, come back to this scene again, where Princess Kakyuu talks about how the power and light of that battle and the coronation was felt throughout the entire universe and time and space. Sailor Galaxia was shown watching this scene as well.

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act54/022.jpg

https://gallery.missdream.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act50/011.jpg

@jrupert1: And you literally only provided one scan. One. And claimed Dormammu to doing all these things but then attack me for not showing evidence. Yeah right!!!!!!

@agent9149: I posted one scan because that was all that was required for the point in my post. With his own power his attack was spreading across everything, the entire dimension was in danger of being reduced to nothing. At that point I had shown more in the defense of my argument. I challenged you to show your claims, I didn't attack you (there's a difference) for not in the following posts, just restated that you haven't. Don't try to backtrack that argument anyway because you accuse me of knowing nothing about her but in turn know nothing about him.

But you finally did and you didn't disappoint. You posted exactly what I had seen and expected. With those scans you have to make assumptions because they do not clearly depict what you claim her level to be at, nor does the text exactly clearly explain what it means. That mirror feat is just like the one I mentioned involving the M'kraan Crystal, which was destroyed (and thus destroyed reality) by someone less powerful than Dormammu. Those last scans even suggest more as to what I said. And her power was felt across the universe? So... Mephisto has had battles that were felt across even other universes, same with Odin, same with Dormmamu. Universal does not that feat make, even Dr Strange has performed a spell that sent tremors across the universe.

I haven't posted all the scans I have said because there are so many, but some of those should be familiar to anyone with some knowledge of the characters I mentioned. But here is some. From left to right

1 A Young Dormammu and his sister Umar (before either, but especially Dormammu, reached full power) were teaching the lord of the Dark Dimension how to play with other universes, and absorb their being into their own. 2 While in the Dark Dimension he transported the Ghost Rider who was on Earth (a distant universe obviously) to an alternate reality that he created to use him as a pawn. By having him face a version of Dr Strange he made, while filling GR with his own power and rage along the way. 3 Here Loki with only a portion of Dormammu's power created an entire dimension, with its own stars and planets. Loki could only be defeated after Dormammu's energies left him. Unrelated to the scan but when Loki had all Dormammu's energies thrown into him it overloaded his mind and he went insane. This isn't the only time he has created a dimension, nor even the most complex, that would probably be the one he did in attempt to trick Dr Strange to accept Dormammu's power in order to kill the Goddess. 4 Dormammu explains that his existence supports the life of the dimension (a full fledged universe as I previously mentioned). 5 One of the several times Dormammu talks about having conquered an entire universe. Pretty self explanatory. But the comic shows just how impressive the feat is when he explains the events that are going to transpire. His presence would be felt by all the high beings in the universe and the Celestials would appose him. 6 Here Satannish explains that Dormammu was his creator, a Hell Lord every bit as powerful if not more so than Mephisto (he's been referred to as a rival of the Shaper of Worlds, a universal abstract in his own right). These things are done with direct power, not some vague roundabout thing that requires assumptions to the meaning or involve some item which I have talked about enough now, if you still don't see how it's not exactly comparable then there's no hope.

That's just a little something, to post everything would make for a ridiculous post. And sometimes it's not even worth it, like here.

@agent9149: 1 It literally said absorb other universes into their own. Do you mean to tell me you don't know what that means? Universes aren't lego blocks. 2 It shows GR being sucked away into darkness (he was on Earth at the time) then he appears back on earth only it's different, it's called a pocket dimension. 3 That place where Loki is standing, among the stars and planets, he created that place... it wasn't there, he used the power he gained from Dormammu and then it was.

That white haired person is Clea, a blind guess should have been closer. That little ball of light in the scan, that's the origin of the attack, in the foreground, those are planetoids burning and for it to destroy all the inhabitants it would have to spread throughout the dimension that's logic 101. And yes, he was going to bring the entire dimension down... which he would have done if he continued. It was uncontested by everyone on the page and even you said he was, so how are you pretending it contradicts anything again?

@jrupert1: You said they were teaching him to play with universes. It said they were teaching him to break the barriers between universe. 2. You need another scan to show that. That one scan doesn't show all that but whatever. I believe you. Also, was it said or shown that Dormammu crated that pocket dimension? (the mirror world isn't a pocket dimension. It has never once been described or called one; and there has been other dimensions mentioned in the series before. The Materials collection specifically refers to it being separate from reality) 3. That scan doesn't show Loki creating that place at all nor does it mention he created it. Perhaps have you have a different scan that shows that?

That's not logic 101. Clea asks Dr. Strange to stop the battle for the sake of the inhabitants of the world. It doesn't say Dormammu's attack will destroy all inhabitants. Syntax dictates that fighting Dormammu will endanger the inhabitants of the dimension. I said I wasn't going to argue whether he can destroy the dimension or not. But you said that my scans and the feats of Sailor Moon all rely on assumptions and vague sentences but you turn around and post these scans and they don't even align with the things you were saying.

@agent9149: Posting 6 scans while on my phone is hard enough, and there's a limit to how many you can post per comic, so I figured I'd use the bare minimum, you did after all. My point in describing them was to give context, a word I hope you grow more familiar with.

But I shall give you a couple more, some "context" as it were, before being done for now, as I have places to be at the moment.

Remember my point of universes not being legos? As this reiterates he absorbed other universes and his grew. It's the mass, matter, and energy that converts to his becoming more vast. It's not like they just attach new universes to it, those universes become the Dark Dimension. How is doing that not playing with them, the very fabric of the universes? It's just an expression anyway. As for breaking dimensional barriers, this is just how you access other universes.

There's more of Loki's dimension. His realm is similar to the one the mirror connects to, I used the term pocket dimension because spaces like those, that's what they're referred to in Marvel, if Sailor Moon were a part of it, that's what it would have been called as well. It's not a diminishing term.

@jrupert1: As I promised to you, I'll help a bit.

I just gave a quickly reading over the thread, but I still need to finish my work to post a properly rebuttal. Anyway, you don't need to worry about anything!:

I kinda missed these debates.

Dormammu