Meliodas

Rules

• Standard morals


• Standard gear


• No knowledge


• No prep


• Win by KO incapacitation, & death


• Info:


• 10 meters apart

Location: Z-City

Gauntlet

1. 
   Quake (616)


2. 
   Colossus (Pre Secret War)


3. 
   Psylocke (616)


4. 
   Ghost Rider (Blaze)


5. 
   Bruce Banner (616)


6. 
   Invisible Woman (616)


7. 
   Captain Marvel (Carol)


8. 
   Magneto (Pre AvX)


9. 
   Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)

Gets stomped at Bruce.

@mr_ingenuity: Bruce is higher than Iron Man. Magento is as well.

1. LOL Passed


2. LOL Passed


3. LOL Speed Blitz


4. LOL Speed Blitz (Blaze, not talking Zarathos who is top dog then)


5. Stops, horribly out of order.


6. LOL Passed.


7. Harder fight, but passes.


8. Stops. Stops dead.


9. 50/50. IM does not have the combat speed, and IM armor does not withstand mountain blows well. Force Field do well, but even then, its been depleted of energy over time. Thats if IM does not get speed blitz faster than his combat speed issues with slower characters like Hulk, Thor, Spider Man, or even Captain Amercia :/ Fact is IM is not that fast in combat speed.

@sirfizzwhizz: Iron Man has plenty of hypersonic speed feats that is within his own book. Mountain busting is pretty low for Iron Man also.

Force Field do well, but even then, its been depleted of energy over time.

Also Bruce has the same issue.

Yes, hypersonic. Yet he is CONSISTENTLY, 99% OF THE TIME, tagged by people like Cap America, Ghost Rider, Spider Man, Red Hulk, She Hulk, Hulk, Thing, Wolverine, Wonder Man, etc, ect, ect, ECT!!!! Even Dr Strange has uttered spells faster than Tony could react to.

You cannot say he is super speed like Mel and other Manga characters who laugh at character speeds like that. IM has handful of decent reaction times and speed feats (mostly travel speed not combat speed) and all the time without fail gets tagg or has trouble tagging people of peak human to super sonic level speeds.

Dont even try to say otherwise to the blatant facts.

Magneto on the other hand has shown to react and out preform close to light speed, and Bruce has the benefit of a always active force field IIRC. Thats how Hulk fans debate his ass anyway lol.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Yes, hypersonic. Yet he is CONSISTENTLY, 99% OF THE TIME, tagged by people like Cap America, Ghost Rider, Spider Man, Red Hulk, She Hulk, Hulk, Thing, Wolverine, Wonder Man, etc, ect, ect, ECT!!!! Even Dr Strange has uttered spells faster than Tony could react to.

None of these are against bleeding edge, which is faster than Extremist & Hypervelocity.

You cannot say he is super speed like Mel and other Manga characters who laugh at character speeds like that. IM has handful of decent reaction times and speed feats (mostly travel speed not combat speed) and all the time without fail gets tagg or has trouble tagging people of peak human to super sonic level speeds.

Dont even try to say otherwise to the blatant facts.

Not too long ago you argued excessively against this in weaker. Any reason for the sudden change?

People need to realize that Manga characters are going to obviously have much more consistent speed feats than Comic characters. This is simply because Manga characters are written by one person, so you can see a consistent showing of a characters powers and abilities. For Comic characters, there are numerous amount of writers so the opinions of how a character operates is solely on how the writer views the character.

@mr_ingenuity:

None of these are against bleeding edge, which is faster than Extremist & Hypervelocity.

Yes, but the Bleeding Edge never shown to speed blitz around characters of slower pace either. Nor is there clear speed feats in general. In fact nothing shows it faster than Extremist which has better feats in comics.

Not too long ago you argued excessively against this in weaker. Any reason for the sudden change?

I was shown how stupid I was on it in a Naruto thread sadly enough. Most of my IM speed arguments was trying my hradest to find a valid reason he beats Naruto, speed kills. That was the CORE of the arguments, and IM was lacking in that crucial department.

So the sudden change is due to another crushing defeat against the most hated foe >_>

Thats no excuse for a logical debate. That is the simple down fall of Mainstream comics. Inconsistency. HOWEVER, i would say the worse comic characters to suffer the inconsistent feats in battle forums is Marvel.

Most indie comics have handful or one writer. Mostly consistent. DC does annual reboots, and those versions with short list of feats are more consistent. Manga has one writer, and mostly consistent, though some writers (DBS cough cough) are terrible. Marvel suffers from inconsistency, and that is a strike to debating them Sure you get 60+ years of feats, you also as a debater need to accept your opponent pointing out the low ends as well the high ends. Consistency, the average.

Off topic rant, but relevant.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Yes, but the Bleeding Edge never shown to speed blitz around characters of slower pace either. Nor is there clear speed feats in general. In fact nothing shows it faster than Extremist which has better feats in comics.

Extremis has more quantifiable feats by scaling Bleeding edge is faster.

I was shown how stupid I was on it in a Naruto thread sadly enough. Most of my IM speed arguments was trying my hradest to find a valid reason he beats Naruto, speed kills. That was the CORE of the arguments, and IM was lacking in that crucial department.

So the sudden change is due to another crushing defeat against the most hated foe >_>

It was from One Piece IIRC. ◔_◔

@mr_ingenuity:

Extremis has more quantifiable feats by scaling Bleeding edge is faster.

Scaling is assumption. Yes, it should be faster, but by how much? Thats where its tricky for a debate.

Also the armor does not have to be faster or stronger. The same feats for Extremis, and its limits are surpass by some feats in older armors :/

It was One Piece from IIRC. ◔_◔

The Naruto one stands out in my head, but Im sure that happen in OP as well. IM is just not that fast for all his defense and versatile power.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Scaling is assumption. Yes, it should be faster, but by how much? Thats where its tricky for a debate.

Also the armor does not have to be faster or stronger. The same feats for Extremis, and its limits are surpass by some feats in older armors :/

Should I specify he's allowed those feats as well? It is what I intended.

The Naruto one stands out in my head, but Im sure that happen in OP as well. IM is just not that fast for all his defense and versatile power.

Then I will have to question you're statement for "IM armor does not withstand mountain blows well." because that wasn't a miscalculation.

@mr_ingenuity:

Should I specify he's allowed those feats as well? It is what I intended.

Then Specify high end speed feats as the norm.

Then I will have to question you're statement for "IM armor does not withstand mountain blows well." because that wasn't a blatant miscalculation.

He does not. She hulk is NOWHERE a mountain level being. Neither is Spider Man or Cap America.

All this is past 16 years except Wonder man. Even Namor ripped Tony's suit head piece to shreds pretty easy. I can find many more examples, but see no reason to. Even the older but still impressive armor of IM was taken out with a little hellfire. Something Mel packs in a version.

IM can tank mountain level attacks? Not really, force fields yes, but not armor. Even Nukes still harm him though his fields can tank it fine, and Dooms island busting blast killed Tony before time shenanigans. Problem is many characters who are casual mountain busters TRASH IM.

Before you compare Thor strikes that IM tank and enraged Hulk blows he tanks, again most of those attacks are not Mountain busting, or just hitting mountain levels. Did you know, mega ton Nukes barely scratch the mountains they been tested on? So mountain busting energy output that is many, many times stronger than any average Nuke IM has issues tanking. He is not as high tier by feats as some people (including my old self) made him out to be. Again with average feats.

Sure he can tank some attacks, but at the speeds Mel is dropping them?

Nah dog. It will wear Tony down, and break Tony.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Then Specify high end speed feats as the norm.

Why should I? I'm sure users can asses how far apart each armor is in relation to bleeding edge.

He does not. She hulk is NOWHERE a mountain level being. Neither is Spider Man or Cap America.

She Hulk didn't damage the armor so unless you're arguing speed it isn't valid. I'm not sure why you bring up Spiderman or Cap as credible feat for those characters but I'm going to dismiss them.

All this is past 16 years except Wonder man. Even Namor ripped Tony's suit head piece to shreds pretty easy. I can find many more examples, but see no reason to.

Namor instance wasn't extremist. Tony has fought Namor underwater with extremis however I'll post scans if I can find the book. Try reading the scans you've posted for Wonder Man.

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IM can tank mountain level attacks? Not really, force fields yes, but not armor. Even Nukes still harm him though his fields can tank it fine, and Dooms island busting blast killed Tony before time shenanigans. Problem is many characters who are casual mountain busters TRASH IM.

Iron-Man has busted mountain & survived continent splitting attacks an average feat should be island busting in durability. Also citing Doom as a low showing when his standard armor one shots mid tiers is misleading.

I'm not going to debate where Meliodas stops, so I'll leave the rest.

@mr_ingenuity: it's why I said 50/50. The level of attacks and speed to deal them is where Mel shines.

Still, Magneto and Bruce > IM

@sirfizzwhizz: Sorry to say Bruce isn't beating Iron Man for a majority. Also:

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@sirfizzwhizz: IM > Magneto

Though I agree with you on everything else.

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Can't Psylocke just TP him?

Exactly what I was thinking.

But he definitely goes down to Ghost Rider.

Stop at İnvinsible Woman.

@earendill: How and why?

This seems ridiculously out of order. He should beat anyone except Bruce and Magneto, whom he gets stomped by.

Just leave this here.

Gets murdered by Magneto and Hulk and also loses to Iron Man.

@geeman2: Not Hulk Banner