Colleen Wing

Daisy Johnson

Rules

• Morals on/In-character


• Random encounter


• Daisy and Colleen depowered


• Colleen has her katana


• Daisy is unarmed

Daisy handily, unless Colleen gets some really impressive feats after episode 7

Thoughts?

Daisy

Daisy takes this handily.

Bump

Bump to a mismatch. Daisy's feats are just better right now H2H.

Wins easily.

@delta16807: I dunno, Colleen beat several members of the hand, people that even May or Bobbi would have a hard time against. Her fights with Davos and Bakuto suggests that she won't get stomped.

Colleen might win given more time, but for now I'm backing Daisy unarmed.

@rogueshadow: @delta16807: @del_torro: @the_magister: @newworldorder: @thesuperor:

Would Colleen fare better with her Katana against an unarmed Daisy?

Let me finish Iron Fist, then I'll jump into this

@angeljax: Yes

@angeljax:

She might win or lose that one, but absolutely.

With her katana, Colleen could win against an unarmed Daisy. But if both are unarmed, Daisy wins in a decent fight

Daisy overall

It's interesting that in another battle people are saying Bakuto would beat Ward but here, people are saying Daisy would solidly beat Colleen. (I'm one of those people)

Is there a disconnect in these opinions? I'm curious about this lol

@angeljax Yes, I am inclined to say she'd win that one.

@the_magister: Just to clarify, Ward as in Grant Ward

@angeljax No, Meachum.

JKJK Yep, Grant Ward

@the_magister: I think Bakuto would beat Ward. And I think Daisy beats Colleen after a really tough fight.

In skill, I'd probably rank them as Bakuto > Daisy/Ward > Colleen.

@angeljax:

But Colleen beat Bakuto 1v1. Well, I do suppose that was with swords though.

@delta16807: In fairness, Bakuto would've killed her if it wasn't for his arrogance and/or monologue.

@del_torro: Did you finish Iron Fist?

Without powers, there's every reason to believe Colleen will beat Daisy, she's been in the Hand since she was a teenager. She has more training and experience in unarmed combat than Daisy who only has 3-4 years tops. Daisy has also been studying other things than H2H as an agent, where Colleen has been solely focused on it. Hell, she runs a Dojo. The real question people should be asking is if Colleen can take Agent May in a fight.

Diasy should take this in h2h. Colleen would win if she has her sword.

Daisy.

@AngelJax: still on episode 9, been swamped. Still, coleen and Danny feel overhyped with the way people were saying they would clear other established fighters like Daredevil, May, Bobbi etc. Danny doesn't fight like a super competent martial artist most of the time, and usually needs to focus to beat someone strong. Still a top tier, just feels overhyped.

About Daisy and Coleen, let's see what the last 4 episodes have.

Finally finished, going with Daisy. She just seems more impressive, but I'm a fan, so I may be biased.

@del_torro: Thanks for your input

Daisy

Daisy wrecks.

Colleen is still not as good as Danny, which in turn puts her automatically below Daisy, sword or not.

Bump, edited the setup a bit

Daisy with high difficulty under these conditions.

Still Daisy.

I could see Colleen winning this via weapons advantage. Daisy out-stats her by a good bit, but the sword's gonna be good for countering that. Daisy's fight with Ruby gives her some showings of countering bladed weapons, which helps, but a katana's got a lot more reach than a chakram, and avoiding it is gonna be a pretty different challenge

If it happened in-universe and Daisy won, I could work with that. But as it stands, the majority of Daisy's feats involve taking on bigger and stronger opponents, not quick sword-wielders. I could see Daisy managing to get up close, inside the sword's reach, and taking control of the fight that way, but I could just as easily see Colleen keeping Daisy at a distance and getting some crucial initial cuts to wear her down, then finishing her.

Unarmed, I'd say Daisy wins for sure, but I think the sword's a game changer that Daisy hasn't really shown the ability to work around. Her grappling-based style will help disarm Colleen if she manages to get in close, but I don't know if she could actually get past the blade in the first place