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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



*cries*












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#10
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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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#11
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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#13
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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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#15
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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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#16
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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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#19
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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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#21
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Frank miller's all star batman

















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#23
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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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#24
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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#25
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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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#26
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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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#27
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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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#30
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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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What are the worst comic book runs for a big name character?















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#1
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PirateKingoda
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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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#2
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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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#3
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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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#5
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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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#6
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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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#8
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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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#9
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



*cries*












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#10
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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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#11
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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#13
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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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#15
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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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#16
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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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#19
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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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#21
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Frank miller's all star batman

















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#23
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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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#24
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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#25
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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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#26
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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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#30
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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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Clone Saga












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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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Aaron's current Thor












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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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Frank miller's all star batman

















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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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#5
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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



*cries*












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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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#13
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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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#16
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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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- 22 days, 13 hours ago
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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#19
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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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#21
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Frank miller's all star batman

















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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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#24
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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#25
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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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#26
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- 21 days, 14 hours ago
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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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#30
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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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#31
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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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#1
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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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#2
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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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#5
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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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#6
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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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#7
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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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#8
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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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#9
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



*cries*












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#10
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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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#11
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buttersdaman000
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- 22 days, 16 hours ago
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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fearless defenders.












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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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#19
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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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Frank miller's all star batman

















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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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#26
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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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#30
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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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#31
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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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#1
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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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#2
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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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#3
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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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#5
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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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#6
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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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#7
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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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#8
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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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#9
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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#10
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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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#11
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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#13
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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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#15
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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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#16
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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Lobdell’s run on New 52 Teen Titans ruined Tim Drake for me












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#19
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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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#20
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Aaron's Thor.












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#21
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SHEMMY
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Frank miller's all star batman

















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#23
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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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#24
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...












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#25
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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.














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#26
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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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#27
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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.












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#28
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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.












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#29
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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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#30
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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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#31
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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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#1
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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?












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#2
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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.












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#3
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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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#4
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Clone Saga












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#5
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One More Day- Spider-Man


Cornells Wolverine













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#6
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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,












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#7
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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.












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#8
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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad












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#9
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



*cries*












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#10
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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.












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#11
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash












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#12
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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.












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#13
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fearless defenders.












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#14
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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.












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#15
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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn












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#16
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Aaron's current Thor












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#17
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buttersdaman000
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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).












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Kings bats though it does have good moments some times.But I doubt anything can top frank miller's all star batman.



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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.












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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@kevd4wg said:

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Aaron's current Thor





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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.















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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?








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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

My question is.... what are your least favorite comic book runs for a popular character or team?








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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

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At first I was going to just ask what are the worst cb runs overall...... but that wouldn't be as interesting because I'm sure there's terrible things out there no one has ever heard of.

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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.








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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.








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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.







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Austen’s X-Men immediately comes to mind. Finch’s Wonder Woman is dire as well.









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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.



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Not enjoying current Batman's storyline.





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Clone Saga








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Clone Saga








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One More Day- Spider-Man


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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,








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I am currently disliking Tom King's Batman and Cornell's Wolverine was one of the worst Wolverine run imo,








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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.








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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.








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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.







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Spider-Man Clone saga basically said the last twenty years of what readers had been enjoying was built on a lie.









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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad








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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad








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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad







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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad





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Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad









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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.








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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.








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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.







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Slott Surfer comes to mind, terrible comic. If the Guardians count, any time Bendis touched them.









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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash








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#11
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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash








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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash







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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad





@the_kidd said:


Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad









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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.








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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.








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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.







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Clone Saga. All of it. Batman mid 2000's was garbage as well. Thank god we got a reboot to that mess. Daniel Way's last few stories on Deadpool were crap.









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fearless defenders.








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fearless defenders.








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fearless defenders.







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fearless defenders.









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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.








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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.








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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.







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@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.





@buttersdaman000 said:



@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash






@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad




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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn








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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn







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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn









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Aaron's current Thor








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Aaron's current Thor








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Aaron's current Thor







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Aaron's current Thor









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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).








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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).








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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).







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@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.




Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just saying the Post-Crisis stories were consitently mediocre and boring for a while before the n52 (excluding the year before where we got the Lex run and the new Doomsday).





@the_kidd said:



@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.






@the_kidd said:




@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash




I don't disagree N52 may have jump started the character but I was referring to the main N52 Superman title which consistently sucked. George Perez, Scott Lobdell, Geoff Johns & Gene Yang runs were all disappointing. DC thought so too as they brought Johns on to make the book more readable however he decided to bail after his first arc focus on Darkseid Wars/Rebirth. At-lest he came up with the idea for Truth before leaving. Lol.


The only decent stories in that run was He'l on Earth & Men of Tomorrow which set the bar remarkably low.





@buttersdaman000 said:


@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash







@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad




Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad









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Aaron's Thor.








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Aaron's Thor.








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Aaron's Thor.







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Aaron's Thor.









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Frank miller's all star batman








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Frank miller's all star batman








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Frank miller's all star batman







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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.








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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.







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So hard to choose. So many current marvel comics. Frank Miller’s all Star batman. That one time Lifeld was the artist for captain America.









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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...








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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...







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@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



Bringing up bad memories of me masochistically reading every new issue knowing it was going to be terrible...





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad





@the_kidd said:


Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad









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How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





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Aaron's current Thor





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Aaron's Thor.










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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





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Aaron's current Thor





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Aaron's Thor.










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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





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Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.









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@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@kevd4wg said:


How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn





@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor





@_kingoflatveria said:


Aaron's current Thor





@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.





@thespartanb345t said:


Aaron's Thor.









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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman



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Aarons Thor, Kings Batman





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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.








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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.








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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.







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Nobody care about Adventure Time comic, but whatever, the Christopher Hasting run was terrible, especially compare to Ryan North.









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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.








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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.








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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.







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Morrison's X-Men. Ruinous shit.









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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.



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@buttersdaman000 said:




@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash



Grounded was indeed ponderous rubbish, but I have to say the first Perez-penned Superman run of the New 52 was much worse. Because as Perez described it, it was a work by committee. He'd write his stuff, send it in, they'd then change what they wanted to change (which Perez refused to do or even know what they did). On top of that, Perez had to write it blindfolded because Morrison was doing his thing in Action Comics and wasn't telling George whenever Ma & Pa Kent were even alive and stuff like that. And finally, they were also using Perez's book to start building up towards the whole Demonites thing that ultimately ended up going nowhere.


Other terrible runs, of recent memory:


  • Scott Lobdell's Teen Titans: For failing to get any of the characters right, for bastardizing the team into a X-Men knockoff, stupid villains, and generally terrible writing. I could have nominated McKeever's run, but I find that's unfair because so much of the crap from that run was editorially mandated. And I could have put Henderson's run as well for the same reason as Lobdell, but I rate hers as the less terrible one because it was relatively short, and Lobdell was actively in danger of ruining the team for years to come as he was dealing with the 'template' others might have to follow... but considering the state of the team right now, he did pretty much ruin it.

  • Wonder Woman by the Finch's: Following Azzarello's run you got a writer who didn't care about the character, and pretty much made Diana into everything certain people accused Azzarello of doing: making Diana violent, angry, aggressive, weak, inept, stupid and so on. On top of that they deliberately butchered Donna Troy and tried to make her into a villain, and finished off by pretty much undoing every single change Azzarello had made during his run. Dead gods came back to life, villains turned allies returned to villainy, Zeus returned to the throne, the sons of the Amazons were all killed off.

  • James Robinson's JLA: It was just terrible from one end to the other, the team was made up entirely of placeholders who did the main job, and some extra's who were off doing something else. Then you had several times where big named characters would proclaim 'this is the Justice League!', which just made it feel forced. I recall one instance of Superman hammering with his fists on a barrier while screaming 'The Justice League is in there!'. Also, before the Finch's deliberately butchered her, Robinson gave us the worst Donna Troy we've ever seen... a seething angry woman who cussed and swore in every fight she got into. And all of this was really sad to me because when it was first announced I thought: "Super, finally the Titans are moving up in the world." And we got this instead...

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl: I put it up there because most people seemed to love Gail's handling of Babs as Oracle in her Birds of Prey run, people liked her silly take on the Secret Six villains. And then we came to Barbara getting her legs back, as many fans had dreamed of and demanded for years... and what did we get? A scowling, overly serious Barbara suffering from PTSD, who didn't seem to be able to move on from her injury... where simply the memory of or reminder could freeze her in place. There was none of the fun we'd come to expect from Gail's writing and the character didn't feel like she should... so really, I was glad when that run was written off as having gone up in flames along with Dinah's dojo by the time she moved to Burnside.





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash






@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad



I strongly disagree. People have too much recency bias in this regard. Post-Crisis Superman was a lot worse for years, as in straight up bad and boring as hell. It picked up a lot right before n52, but lets not forget we had stories like Grounded.


That being said, Truth was absolute trash





@the_kidd said:

Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad




Almost everyone run on N52 Superman was pretty bad





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Aaron's Thor.







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@kevd4wg said:

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@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







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@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

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@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.









@jayc1324 said:



@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







@jayc1324 said:




@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.






@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.




Aaron's Thor.





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Aaron's current Thor




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Aaron's Thor.












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Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.










@jay_z94 said:


@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.








@jay_z94 said:



@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.







@jayc1324 said:


@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.








@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




@thespartanb345t said:

Aaron's Thor.






@kevd4wg said:

How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




How could I forget Thor. Thor easily. Also whatever the hell Aaron is doing to Avengers rn




@_kingoflatveria said:

Aaron's current Thor




Aaron's current Thor




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Aaron's Thor.




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