-All Bloodlusted

-Takes place in the Amazon Forest

-Grindlewald has the Elder Wand

Team 1 every time, Grindelwald stalemates Dumbledore for hours, Voldemort beats any two others and Bellatrix stomps whoever is left in a 1 v 1 aside from maybe Prime Moody since we have no idea how good he really was in his prime.

Dumbledore = Grindelwald with a very slight edge in skill. Enough that the duel could probably go either way, and it's not ending before the rest of team 1 finish off their opponents.

Voldemort >> Moody, Mcgonagall and Kingsley separately. Together, they're < Voldemort still, though enough to give him a very good fight.

Honestly, Bellatrix is what will swing this battle in team 1's favour. While Moody, Mcgonagall and Kingsley could possibly stalemate Voldemort (though his stamina is greater and therefore he'll ultimately win), the only one of the three here that I could see matching or defeating Bellatrix is Minerva, and while she's busy with Bella Tom will just help Gellert or her to finish off their opponent and then dogpile the last one.

Team 1 10/10.

Either of Grindelwald or Voldemort hold off Dumbledore whilst the other solos the rest of Dumbledore's team, they then join whoever is taking on Dumbledore and together stomp him. Grindelwald and Voldemort are enough to give team 1 a comfortable win.

Prime Moody shouldn't be used in the Battle Forums, he's as featless as they come.

OT-Team One Voldemort can beat any members of the trio two on one whilst Bellatrix takes the other. Dumbledore is even with Gellert and the fight lasted hours so Voldemort and Bellatrix joining after about a minute makes this a stomp.

Grindelwald vs Dumbledore is a grueling fight. Voldemort could probably take the trio on himself, Bellatrix is overkill- if she isolates Kingsley then the fight is short and brutal. Team 1 wreck.

@penguinlover: LMAO Minerva is in no way above Bellatrix. @socajunkie would be happy to explain it to you at length lol.

:] I any case the only member of the team I see possibly taking Bellatrix solo is prime Moody because by statements he's far above Kingsley=Minerva.

This though I wouldn't put the trio above Voldemort on his own. He got stalemated by a far less impressive trio.

Team 1

@penguinlover:

the only one of the three here that I could see matching or defeating Bellatrix is Minerva

She's done nothing to suggest she's as good as Bella, let alone above her. Scaling from the Battle of Hogwarts puts Minerva on Kingsley's level who Bellatrix handily beat before five lines of dialogue had been exchanged.

@socajunkie: How does the Battle of Hogwarts put Minerva on Kingsley’s level? Because he helped her along with Slughorn against Voldemort? That’s not a fair scaling to draw this from, otherwise I can point out that in the same battle Bellatrix was defeated in a duel by Molly Weasley. I don’t think I need to point out that Mrs Weasley’s most impressive feats outside of this are being good at household charms. She’s not a natural duellist. Similarly, it’s like saying Ginny, Hermione and Luna together must be almost Bellatrix level because they contended with her for a time.

In any case, Minvera has an impressive track record prior to this. She was seen as the most outstanding student of her year during her time in Hogwarts, received “top grades in O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s”, was viewed as a virtual prodigy in her generation, and has been frequently portrayed in the books as being an extremely powerful witch. Throw in 50 - 60 odd years to refine and grow in power, and you’re looking at one of the most powerful witches in the Harry Potter world.

@penguinlover:

‘How does the Battle of Hogwarts put Minerva on Kingsley’s level? Because he helped her along with Slughorn against Voldemort?’

Yep.

‘That’s not a fair scaling to draw this from, otherwise I can point out that in the same battle Bellatrix was defeated in a duel by Molly Weasley.’

Which would make zero sense as a comparison since that was author admitted PIS/a thematic choice for Molly to win which had nothing to do with dueling skill.

If another person mentions Molly when discussing Bellatrix, I will punch a baby in the face. Molly vs Bellatrix is only relevant when discussing themes in HP, not skill or power.

‘I don’t think I need to point out that Mrs Weasley’s most impressive feats outside of this are being good at household charms. She’s not a natural duellist.’

It’s author admitted PIS, Molly has nothing to do with anything regarding dueling.

‘Similarly, it’s like saying Ginny, Hermione and Luna together must be almost Bellatrix level because they contended with her for a time.’

...that would make sense, quite obviously. Collectively speaking they’re almost Bellatrix level, nothing wrong with that.

‘In any case, Minvera has an impressive track record prior to this. She was seen as the most outstanding student of her year during her time in Hogwarts, received “top grades in O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s”, was viewed as a virtual prodigy in her generation, and has been frequently portrayed in the books as being an extremely powerful witch. If anything, she’s been depicted as being one of the most powerful witches in the Harry Potter world.’

Statements, vague conjecture and absolutely nothing here proves she’s as good as Bellatrix. Literally everything you’ve said here can be said about Hermione however Minerva has the better for her being a prodigious duelist and...so what? How are you saying this vague assessment of skill makes her better than Bellatrix who has a plethora of feats which put her above even those with ‘prodigious skill’?

In fact that’s the main problem I’m seeing, you have not and cannot give any feats for Minerva to put her on Bellatrix’s level, instead you’re reduced to conjecture.

Throw in 50 - 60 odd years to refine and grow in power, and you’re looking at one of the most powerful witches in the Harry Potter world.

Great argument for why she's powerful in general, weak sauce argument for why she's better than Bellatrix.

Smelly is correct here

I mean it was flat out stated that direct tutelage and favouritism from Voldemort was what made Bella so powerful, it doesn't so much matter how good your NEWTS were when you have Voldemort personally training an already powerful witch in the Dark Arts

@penguinlover: Statements don't mean jack about duelling only combat feats do. I used to believe that they did but they don't. Don't use them when debating for HP.

@socajunkie No one would blame you if you punched a baby at this point, the lowballing has got out of hand.

Voldemort takes on Kingsley and Minerva, and wins with low-mid difficulty. While that fight is going on bellatrix will beat moody with mid difficulty. I’d imagine both of those fights would last around the same amount of time so when Voldemort and bellatrix are done with their fights they help grindlewald beat dombledore.

@decaf_wizard: I’ll get back to you in the next couple of days. I’m sorting out uni plans and stuff so I’m a bit slow on the replies.

Voldy and Grindel take it. Either can hold off Dumbie while the other and Bella deals with the rest. Take away Bella and you have an interesting match.

Agreed. Though I wouldn't say Bellatrix stomps anyone here but she can defeat prime Moody (as he is featless) and Kingsley (because she did) but I'd argue otherwise for McGonagall but we've discussed this so I won't bother. Anyway Grindelwald fights Dumbledore while Bellatrix fights McGonagall while Voldemort stomps Kingsley and Moody. Then Voldemort helps Bellatrix defeat McGonagall and then they all fight Dumbledore and win.

Team 1 comfortably