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Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.



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    Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



    I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



    II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.



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      Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



      I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



      II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.



      Who is the best player?










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      Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



      I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



      II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.



      Who is the best player?







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          And that




          Mr. Cole's sister is NOT his twin -- he is much older. She is the worst player, and the same age as her twin niece and nephew.

          I disagree [with an older answer, now deleted], because, the best player has a twin, and is also the same age as the worst player -- but the worst player and the best player's twin are of the opposite sex, therefore NOT the same person. Therefore there are three people of the same age.

          As for [the claim, now deleted, that a generation gap between siblings is unrealistic] -- well, not at all. Happens in my own extended family.







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          • Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
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            @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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          Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



          I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



          II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.




          For a little brevity in this long winded answer, we name Mr. Cole's son Adam, his daughter Betty, and his sister Dzsesszika. We can restate the premise and the facts in a more convenient way.



          If we assume there is no trickery with reassigned genders, gender pronouns, relativity, cloning, complete family information, tied skills, non-binary genders, or incest - we must conclude




          the daughter is the best chess player




          1. maleopposite = female

          2. femaleopposite = male

          From the pronouns / identifiers we have



          1. Agender = Cgender = male

          2. Bgender = Dgender = female

          3. Asibling = B

          4. Bsibling = A

          5. Csibling = D

          6. Dsibling = C

          Cole is older than his children



          1. Cage != Aage

          2. Cage != Bage

          We have (I) which also implies the best player is a twin



          1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age

          2. ((Bestsibling)gender)opposite = Worstgender

          We have (II)



          1. Bestage = Worstage

          From (12) and single genders we know that



          1. Bestsibling != Worst

          From (11,13,14) we know there are three distinct people where



          1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age = Worstage

          From (9,10,15) and complete family information we know that Cole could only be the same age as one other person (his sister), and thus



          1. C != Best

          2. C != Bestsibling

          3. C != Worst

          So the sister is the same age as the children.



          From complete family information and (7,8,16,17) we know the best and their sibling must be the children; from (18) we know the worst must be the sister



          1. A, B = Best, Bestsibling

          2. D = Worst

          Applying (2,4,20) into (12) we know the best player's sibling is male



          1. (Bestsibling)gender = male

          And applying (3,4,5,6,21) to (19) we can conclude it is the daughter



          1. Bestsibling = A

          2. Best = B


          Commenting on the issue of apparent symmetry:



          While facts (I) and (II) are symmetric across age, the crucial assumption from the premise that Mr. Cole is not the same age as his son or daughter allows us to reach a conclusion.






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            Here's a shorter proof-type answer. I'll be using Cireo's notations for the players, so A: son, B: daughter, C: Cole, D: Cole's sister.



            First we note that every sibling-pair is a brother-sister pair. So we can deduce from (I) that the best player and the worst player are of the same sex, since the best player and their twin are necessarily of the opposite sex.
            So, because the same player cannot be the best player and the worst player at the same time, this means that the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of the following:
            (A,C), (C,A), (B,D), (D,B) (*)



            Now, because C is A and B's father, we know that:
            age(C) $not =$ age(B) and age(C) $not =$ age(A) (#)



            (I) implies that age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)



            (II) says that age(Best player)=age(Worst player)



            So we have age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)=age(Worst player).



            So we have a chain equality involving three players. This chain equality cannot involve C because then it would also involve at least one of A or B which can't be true by (#).



            So C is neither the worst player nor the best, and we can refine (*) as follows: the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of (B,D), (D,B).



            And the remaining allowed player, A, must be the best player's sibling, so the best player is B and (Best player, Worst player) is (B,D).






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              Sounds like the best player is




              the daughter




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              Mr. Cole's sister is NOT his twin -- he is much older. She is the worst player, and the same age as her twin niece and nephew.

              I disagree [with an older answer, now deleted], because, the best player has a twin, and is also the same age as the worst player -- but the worst player and the best player's twin are of the opposite sex, therefore NOT the same person. Therefore there are three people of the same age.

              As for [the claim, now deleted, that a generation gap between siblings is unrealistic] -- well, not at all. Happens in my own extended family.







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              • Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
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                @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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              Sounds like the best player is




              the daughter




              And that




              Mr. Cole's sister is NOT his twin -- he is much older. She is the worst player, and the same age as her twin niece and nephew.

              I disagree [with an older answer, now deleted], because, the best player has a twin, and is also the same age as the worst player -- but the worst player and the best player's twin are of the opposite sex, therefore NOT the same person. Therefore there are three people of the same age.

              As for [the claim, now deleted, that a generation gap between siblings is unrealistic] -- well, not at all. Happens in my own extended family.







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              • Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
                – hkBst
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                @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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              Sounds like the best player is




              the daughter




              And that




              Mr. Cole's sister is NOT his twin -- he is much older. She is the worst player, and the same age as her twin niece and nephew.

              I disagree [with an older answer, now deleted], because, the best player has a twin, and is also the same age as the worst player -- but the worst player and the best player's twin are of the opposite sex, therefore NOT the same person. Therefore there are three people of the same age.

              As for [the claim, now deleted, that a generation gap between siblings is unrealistic] -- well, not at all. Happens in my own extended family.







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              Sounds like the best player is




              the daughter




              And that




              Mr. Cole's sister is NOT his twin -- he is much older. She is the worst player, and the same age as her twin niece and nephew.

              I disagree [with an older answer, now deleted], because, the best player has a twin, and is also the same age as the worst player -- but the worst player and the best player's twin are of the opposite sex, therefore NOT the same person. Therefore there are three people of the same age.

              As for [the claim, now deleted, that a generation gap between siblings is unrealistic] -- well, not at all. Happens in my own extended family.








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              • Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
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                @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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              • Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
                – hkBst
                Nov 11 at 9:36






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                @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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              Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
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              Would this not also work for the sister just as well?
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              @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
              – Bass
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              @hkBst Not really, since parents need to exist before their offspring, so they cannot be the same age.
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              Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



              I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



              II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.




              For a little brevity in this long winded answer, we name Mr. Cole's son Adam, his daughter Betty, and his sister Dzsesszika. We can restate the premise and the facts in a more convenient way.



              If we assume there is no trickery with reassigned genders, gender pronouns, relativity, cloning, complete family information, tied skills, non-binary genders, or incest - we must conclude




              the daughter is the best chess player




              1. maleopposite = female

              2. femaleopposite = male

              From the pronouns / identifiers we have



              1. Agender = Cgender = male

              2. Bgender = Dgender = female

              3. Asibling = B

              4. Bsibling = A

              5. Csibling = D

              6. Dsibling = C

              Cole is older than his children



              1. Cage != Aage

              2. Cage != Bage

              We have (I) which also implies the best player is a twin



              1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age

              2. ((Bestsibling)gender)opposite = Worstgender

              We have (II)



              1. Bestage = Worstage

              From (12) and single genders we know that



              1. Bestsibling != Worst

              From (11,13,14) we know there are three distinct people where



              1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age = Worstage

              From (9,10,15) and complete family information we know that Cole could only be the same age as one other person (his sister), and thus



              1. C != Best

              2. C != Bestsibling

              3. C != Worst

              So the sister is the same age as the children.



              From complete family information and (7,8,16,17) we know the best and their sibling must be the children; from (18) we know the worst must be the sister



              1. A, B = Best, Bestsibling

              2. D = Worst

              Applying (2,4,20) into (12) we know the best player's sibling is male



              1. (Bestsibling)gender = male

              And applying (3,4,5,6,21) to (19) we can conclude it is the daughter



              1. Bestsibling = A

              2. Best = B


              Commenting on the issue of apparent symmetry:



              While facts (I) and (II) are symmetric across age, the crucial assumption from the premise that Mr. Cole is not the same age as his son or daughter allows us to reach a conclusion.






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                Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



                I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



                II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.




                For a little brevity in this long winded answer, we name Mr. Cole's son Adam, his daughter Betty, and his sister Dzsesszika. We can restate the premise and the facts in a more convenient way.



                If we assume there is no trickery with reassigned genders, gender pronouns, relativity, cloning, complete family information, tied skills, non-binary genders, or incest - we must conclude




                the daughter is the best chess player




                1. maleopposite = female

                2. femaleopposite = male

                From the pronouns / identifiers we have



                1. Agender = Cgender = male

                2. Bgender = Dgender = female

                3. Asibling = B

                4. Bsibling = A

                5. Csibling = D

                6. Dsibling = C

                Cole is older than his children



                1. Cage != Aage

                2. Cage != Bage

                We have (I) which also implies the best player is a twin



                1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age

                2. ((Bestsibling)gender)opposite = Worstgender

                We have (II)



                1. Bestage = Worstage

                From (12) and single genders we know that



                1. Bestsibling != Worst

                From (11,13,14) we know there are three distinct people where



                1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age = Worstage

                From (9,10,15) and complete family information we know that Cole could only be the same age as one other person (his sister), and thus



                1. C != Best

                2. C != Bestsibling

                3. C != Worst

                So the sister is the same age as the children.



                From complete family information and (7,8,16,17) we know the best and their sibling must be the children; from (18) we know the worst must be the sister



                1. A, B = Best, Bestsibling

                2. D = Worst

                Applying (2,4,20) into (12) we know the best player's sibling is male



                1. (Bestsibling)gender = male

                And applying (3,4,5,6,21) to (19) we can conclude it is the daughter



                1. Bestsibling = A

                2. Best = B


                Commenting on the issue of apparent symmetry:



                While facts (I) and (II) are symmetric across age, the crucial assumption from the premise that Mr. Cole is not the same age as his son or daughter allows us to reach a conclusion.






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                  up vote
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                  Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



                  I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



                  II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.




                  For a little brevity in this long winded answer, we name Mr. Cole's son Adam, his daughter Betty, and his sister Dzsesszika. We can restate the premise and the facts in a more convenient way.



                  If we assume there is no trickery with reassigned genders, gender pronouns, relativity, cloning, complete family information, tied skills, non-binary genders, or incest - we must conclude




                  the daughter is the best chess player




                  1. maleopposite = female

                  2. femaleopposite = male

                  From the pronouns / identifiers we have



                  1. Agender = Cgender = male

                  2. Bgender = Dgender = female

                  3. Asibling = B

                  4. Bsibling = A

                  5. Csibling = D

                  6. Dsibling = C

                  Cole is older than his children



                  1. Cage != Aage

                  2. Cage != Bage

                  We have (I) which also implies the best player is a twin



                  1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age

                  2. ((Bestsibling)gender)opposite = Worstgender

                  We have (II)



                  1. Bestage = Worstage

                  From (12) and single genders we know that



                  1. Bestsibling != Worst

                  From (11,13,14) we know there are three distinct people where



                  1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age = Worstage

                  From (9,10,15) and complete family information we know that Cole could only be the same age as one other person (his sister), and thus



                  1. C != Best

                  2. C != Bestsibling

                  3. C != Worst

                  So the sister is the same age as the children.



                  From complete family information and (7,8,16,17) we know the best and their sibling must be the children; from (18) we know the worst must be the sister



                  1. A, B = Best, Bestsibling

                  2. D = Worst

                  Applying (2,4,20) into (12) we know the best player's sibling is male



                  1. (Bestsibling)gender = male

                  And applying (3,4,5,6,21) to (19) we can conclude it is the daughter



                  1. Bestsibling = A

                  2. Best = B


                  Commenting on the issue of apparent symmetry:



                  While facts (I) and (II) are symmetric across age, the crucial assumption from the premise that Mr. Cole is not the same age as his son or daughter allows us to reach a conclusion.






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                  Mr. Cole , his sister, his son, and his daughter are chess players.



                  I. The best player's twin and the worst player are of the opposite sex.



                  II. The best player and the worst player are of the same age.




                  For a little brevity in this long winded answer, we name Mr. Cole's son Adam, his daughter Betty, and his sister Dzsesszika. We can restate the premise and the facts in a more convenient way.



                  If we assume there is no trickery with reassigned genders, gender pronouns, relativity, cloning, complete family information, tied skills, non-binary genders, or incest - we must conclude




                  the daughter is the best chess player




                  1. maleopposite = female

                  2. femaleopposite = male

                  From the pronouns / identifiers we have



                  1. Agender = Cgender = male

                  2. Bgender = Dgender = female

                  3. Asibling = B

                  4. Bsibling = A

                  5. Csibling = D

                  6. Dsibling = C

                  Cole is older than his children



                  1. Cage != Aage

                  2. Cage != Bage

                  We have (I) which also implies the best player is a twin



                  1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age

                  2. ((Bestsibling)gender)opposite = Worstgender

                  We have (II)



                  1. Bestage = Worstage

                  From (12) and single genders we know that



                  1. Bestsibling != Worst

                  From (11,13,14) we know there are three distinct people where



                  1. Bestage = (Bestsibling)age = Worstage

                  From (9,10,15) and complete family information we know that Cole could only be the same age as one other person (his sister), and thus



                  1. C != Best

                  2. C != Bestsibling

                  3. C != Worst

                  So the sister is the same age as the children.



                  From complete family information and (7,8,16,17) we know the best and their sibling must be the children; from (18) we know the worst must be the sister



                  1. A, B = Best, Bestsibling

                  2. D = Worst

                  Applying (2,4,20) into (12) we know the best player's sibling is male



                  1. (Bestsibling)gender = male

                  And applying (3,4,5,6,21) to (19) we can conclude it is the daughter



                  1. Bestsibling = A

                  2. Best = B


                  Commenting on the issue of apparent symmetry:



                  While facts (I) and (II) are symmetric across age, the crucial assumption from the premise that Mr. Cole is not the same age as his son or daughter allows us to reach a conclusion.







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                      Here's a shorter proof-type answer. I'll be using Cireo's notations for the players, so A: son, B: daughter, C: Cole, D: Cole's sister.



                      First we note that every sibling-pair is a brother-sister pair. So we can deduce from (I) that the best player and the worst player are of the same sex, since the best player and their twin are necessarily of the opposite sex.
                      So, because the same player cannot be the best player and the worst player at the same time, this means that the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of the following:
                      (A,C), (C,A), (B,D), (D,B) (*)



                      Now, because C is A and B's father, we know that:
                      age(C) $not =$ age(B) and age(C) $not =$ age(A) (#)



                      (I) implies that age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)



                      (II) says that age(Best player)=age(Worst player)



                      So we have age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)=age(Worst player).



                      So we have a chain equality involving three players. This chain equality cannot involve C because then it would also involve at least one of A or B which can't be true by (#).



                      So C is neither the worst player nor the best, and we can refine (*) as follows: the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of (B,D), (D,B).



                      And the remaining allowed player, A, must be the best player's sibling, so the best player is B and (Best player, Worst player) is (B,D).






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                        Here's a shorter proof-type answer. I'll be using Cireo's notations for the players, so A: son, B: daughter, C: Cole, D: Cole's sister.



                        First we note that every sibling-pair is a brother-sister pair. So we can deduce from (I) that the best player and the worst player are of the same sex, since the best player and their twin are necessarily of the opposite sex.
                        So, because the same player cannot be the best player and the worst player at the same time, this means that the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of the following:
                        (A,C), (C,A), (B,D), (D,B) (*)



                        Now, because C is A and B's father, we know that:
                        age(C) $not =$ age(B) and age(C) $not =$ age(A) (#)



                        (I) implies that age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)



                        (II) says that age(Best player)=age(Worst player)



                        So we have age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)=age(Worst player).



                        So we have a chain equality involving three players. This chain equality cannot involve C because then it would also involve at least one of A or B which can't be true by (#).



                        So C is neither the worst player nor the best, and we can refine (*) as follows: the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of (B,D), (D,B).



                        And the remaining allowed player, A, must be the best player's sibling, so the best player is B and (Best player, Worst player) is (B,D).






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                          up vote
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                          Here's a shorter proof-type answer. I'll be using Cireo's notations for the players, so A: son, B: daughter, C: Cole, D: Cole's sister.



                          First we note that every sibling-pair is a brother-sister pair. So we can deduce from (I) that the best player and the worst player are of the same sex, since the best player and their twin are necessarily of the opposite sex.
                          So, because the same player cannot be the best player and the worst player at the same time, this means that the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of the following:
                          (A,C), (C,A), (B,D), (D,B) (*)



                          Now, because C is A and B's father, we know that:
                          age(C) $not =$ age(B) and age(C) $not =$ age(A) (#)



                          (I) implies that age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)



                          (II) says that age(Best player)=age(Worst player)



                          So we have age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)=age(Worst player).



                          So we have a chain equality involving three players. This chain equality cannot involve C because then it would also involve at least one of A or B which can't be true by (#).



                          So C is neither the worst player nor the best, and we can refine (*) as follows: the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of (B,D), (D,B).



                          And the remaining allowed player, A, must be the best player's sibling, so the best player is B and (Best player, Worst player) is (B,D).






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                          Here's a shorter proof-type answer. I'll be using Cireo's notations for the players, so A: son, B: daughter, C: Cole, D: Cole's sister.



                          First we note that every sibling-pair is a brother-sister pair. So we can deduce from (I) that the best player and the worst player are of the same sex, since the best player and their twin are necessarily of the opposite sex.
                          So, because the same player cannot be the best player and the worst player at the same time, this means that the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of the following:
                          (A,C), (C,A), (B,D), (D,B) (*)



                          Now, because C is A and B's father, we know that:
                          age(C) $not =$ age(B) and age(C) $not =$ age(A) (#)



                          (I) implies that age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)



                          (II) says that age(Best player)=age(Worst player)



                          So we have age(Best player)=age(Best player's sibling)=age(Worst player).



                          So we have a chain equality involving three players. This chain equality cannot involve C because then it would also involve at least one of A or B which can't be true by (#).



                          So C is neither the worst player nor the best, and we can refine (*) as follows: the (Best player, Worst player) pair is one of (B,D), (D,B).



                          And the remaining allowed player, A, must be the best player's sibling, so the best player is B and (Best player, Worst player) is (B,D).







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