Why do we need 2 variables for Semaphores in the Producer Consumer problem?









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The standard way Producer Consumer is implemented is like:




  • useQueue mutex


  • emptyCount semaphore of size N


  • fullCount semaphore of size N

produce:



down(emptyCount)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)
up(fullCount)


consume:



down(fullCount)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)
up(emptyCount)


Where if down has a non-positive value, the thread waits.
up pushes the count up



Taken from this Wikipedia article



Why can't we have something like:



class NewSemaphore 
int capacity, permits;

/**
* Initialize the semaphore with a max capacity
* @param n the max capacity
*/
NewSemaphore(int n)
capacity = n;
permits = 0;


/**
* We usually never check this. Check if it's within limits.
* If not, wait
*/
synchronized void up()
if (permits >= capacity)
wait();
else
permits++;
notify();



/**
* Standard down/acquire function
*/
synchronized void down()
if (permits <= 0)
wait();
else
permits--;
notify();





This will be called like:



produce:



up(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)


consume:



down(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)


Why do we need 2 different variables emptyCount and fullCount?










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  • Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
    – Martin James
    Nov 11 at 10:14










  • It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
    – aneesh joshi
    Nov 11 at 13:16














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The standard way Producer Consumer is implemented is like:




  • useQueue mutex


  • emptyCount semaphore of size N


  • fullCount semaphore of size N

produce:



down(emptyCount)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)
up(fullCount)


consume:



down(fullCount)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)
up(emptyCount)


Where if down has a non-positive value, the thread waits.
up pushes the count up



Taken from this Wikipedia article



Why can't we have something like:



class NewSemaphore 
int capacity, permits;

/**
* Initialize the semaphore with a max capacity
* @param n the max capacity
*/
NewSemaphore(int n)
capacity = n;
permits = 0;


/**
* We usually never check this. Check if it's within limits.
* If not, wait
*/
synchronized void up()
if (permits >= capacity)
wait();
else
permits++;
notify();



/**
* Standard down/acquire function
*/
synchronized void down()
if (permits <= 0)
wait();
else
permits--;
notify();





This will be called like:



produce:



up(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)


consume:



down(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)


Why do we need 2 different variables emptyCount and fullCount?










share|improve this question























  • Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
    – Martin James
    Nov 11 at 10:14










  • It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
    – aneesh joshi
    Nov 11 at 13:16












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The standard way Producer Consumer is implemented is like:




  • useQueue mutex


  • emptyCount semaphore of size N


  • fullCount semaphore of size N

produce:



down(emptyCount)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)
up(fullCount)


consume:



down(fullCount)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)
up(emptyCount)


Where if down has a non-positive value, the thread waits.
up pushes the count up



Taken from this Wikipedia article



Why can't we have something like:



class NewSemaphore 
int capacity, permits;

/**
* Initialize the semaphore with a max capacity
* @param n the max capacity
*/
NewSemaphore(int n)
capacity = n;
permits = 0;


/**
* We usually never check this. Check if it's within limits.
* If not, wait
*/
synchronized void up()
if (permits >= capacity)
wait();
else
permits++;
notify();



/**
* Standard down/acquire function
*/
synchronized void down()
if (permits <= 0)
wait();
else
permits--;
notify();





This will be called like:



produce:



up(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)


consume:



down(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)


Why do we need 2 different variables emptyCount and fullCount?










share|improve this question















The standard way Producer Consumer is implemented is like:




  • useQueue mutex


  • emptyCount semaphore of size N


  • fullCount semaphore of size N

produce:



down(emptyCount)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)
up(fullCount)


consume:



down(fullCount)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)
up(emptyCount)


Where if down has a non-positive value, the thread waits.
up pushes the count up



Taken from this Wikipedia article



Why can't we have something like:



class NewSemaphore 
int capacity, permits;

/**
* Initialize the semaphore with a max capacity
* @param n the max capacity
*/
NewSemaphore(int n)
capacity = n;
permits = 0;


/**
* We usually never check this. Check if it's within limits.
* If not, wait
*/
synchronized void up()
if (permits >= capacity)
wait();
else
permits++;
notify();



/**
* Standard down/acquire function
*/
synchronized void down()
if (permits <= 0)
wait();
else
permits--;
notify();





This will be called like:



produce:



up(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
putItemIntoQueue(item)
up(useQueue)


consume:



down(mySemaphore)
down(useQueue)
item ← getItemFromQueue()
up(useQueue)


Why do we need 2 different variables emptyCount and fullCount?







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  • Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
    – Martin James
    Nov 11 at 10:14










  • It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
    – aneesh joshi
    Nov 11 at 13:16
















  • Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
    – Martin James
    Nov 11 at 10:14










  • It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
    – aneesh joshi
    Nov 11 at 13:16















Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
– Martin James
Nov 11 at 10:14




Wjat does 'synchronized' do, because you seem to be waiting inside it?
– Martin James
Nov 11 at 10:14












It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
– aneesh joshi
Nov 11 at 13:16




It's the monitor which Java provides. It's for making atomic statements on the semaphore object
– aneesh joshi
Nov 11 at 13:16












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There are two semaphores because there are two things we are keeping in check. First is that consumers wait if there is nothing to consume, and second that producers wait if the queue is full.



Your idea would let producers continue producing until they ran out of memory or some other resource.






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  • There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
    – aneesh joshi
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There are two semaphores because there are two things we are keeping in check. First is that consumers wait if there is nothing to consume, and second that producers wait if the queue is full.



Your idea would let producers continue producing until they ran out of memory or some other resource.






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  • There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
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There are two semaphores because there are two things we are keeping in check. First is that consumers wait if there is nothing to consume, and second that producers wait if the queue is full.



Your idea would let producers continue producing until they ran out of memory or some other resource.






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  • There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
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    Nov 12 at 0:36












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There are two semaphores because there are two things we are keeping in check. First is that consumers wait if there is nothing to consume, and second that producers wait if the queue is full.



Your idea would let producers continue producing until they ran out of memory or some other resource.






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There are two semaphores because there are two things we are keeping in check. First is that consumers wait if there is nothing to consume, and second that producers wait if the queue is full.



Your idea would let producers continue producing until they ran out of memory or some other resource.







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  • There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
    – aneesh joshi
    Nov 12 at 0:36
















  • There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
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    Nov 12 at 0:36















There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
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There's an upper bound on the semaphore. It won't keep producing.
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