Duo. Giving Oliver his bow is interesting since I think it's an advantage over unarmed opponents for sure, but it can't pull him through against two opponents of this skill level.

@rbt: Bruce is Ollie's physical superior with some nigh impressive skill feats and Natasha is highly skilled as well. Neither can bring him down solo but together I think they can take him.

I wouldn't say Bruce is Ollie's physical superior. Their strength feats are very similar. Ollie might even have an edge there. Durability certainly goes to Oliver. The skill and speed gap are pretty wide as well.

Bruce no sold four shots straight to the chest, Ollie was incapacitated by one to the shoulder. As for strength Ollie has never tossed a crate over his head casually. Ollie has a major skill edge but Bruce has the strength to hold his own.

Nat wouldn't trouble Oliver much. Worse stats, worse speed, and worse skill.

I agree that she's worse but if a random, unnamed mercenary and fodder like Demo team members can give Ollie trouble so can Nat. She's good enough to at least hold her own against him.

If the team had gear, I could see Oliver losing to them, but not without it.

Agree to disagree?

Widow could still solo.

@arkhamasylum3:

She solo'd Hawkeye armed with his bow, while fatigued, holding back and unarmed. No reason why she couldn't solo Ollie armed with his bow,

Clint has no feats besides scaling off Panther (which you Widow fanboys like to wank for all its worth) so soloing him isn't that impressive.

since he has no feats on the same level as Clint's fight with Black Panther IMO.

I'll find the post but someone did some calculations and said the fight between Clint and Panther is only about 15 seconds. Also a fight we don't see most of can hardly be scaled off of. It's like saying Yaxley is now above Dolohov in Harry Potter books because he stalemated Flitwick and Dolohov lost which isn't true at all as the fight was only described in passing and for all we know Flitwick was destroying Yaxley. I actually can't believe this arguement. You're usually a good debater which makes me question why you're wanking this feat.

Either solos. Epic mismatch.

I can see a case being made for DCEU Batman soloing but not Widow. How does she solo?

I literally pointed out that the fight was only 15 seconds based on calculations. I also pointed out the fact that there is no evidence Clint gave Panther a fight. Also no it is not consistent with his other fights as if Clint can give Panther a fight and Widow stomped him that should mean Widow>Panther which doesn't line up with there previous showings as Panther stalemated Buck while on Winter Soldier kill mode who stomped Natasha. Stop wanking this feat.

No it's not that simple as Clint should not be able to give Panther a fight based on the scaling above. As for giving you a feat on the same level as Panther's I don't have to. I'm not going to debate further unless you stop wanking the feat of Hawkeye fighting Panther when it is not impressive as we see none of the fight.

@arkhamasylum3:

I just saw your edited post. And calling me out for 'wanking' just cause you can't counter the argument is beyond low, come on.

Sorry about that. I've just got annoyed as I've seen this arguement be brought up so many times. I also called you out on wanking in my next post which I'm sorry about. Don't take it personally. Also I had to edit my post as I accidentally pressed the button to post.

I dont trust calcs, the fight we saw was 45 seconds, and Clint traded blows with T'Challa and got him on a hold before he latter forced his way out through stats and vibranium weaponry.

I'll post the calcs and see if you feel differently. I'll have to find them first. Also the actual screentime doesn't matter so it can'tbe used as a basis for the length of the fight.

I also don't see how you can use "calcs" to show the time difference. I had a recent discussing with BoF in a Diaz vs May thread.

Again I'll post them and see if you feel differently.

The fight got brought up and we discussed the entire big battle sequences like the Airport Battle or the Battle of Wakanda. These battles show off-screen parts of the fights going on simutlaneously on the background of other matchups (like when T'Challa and Bucky were fighting behind Hawkeye and Widow in the airport and it was a different sequence), so there's no argument to be made for Clint and T'Challa not fighting off-screen during those 40 seconds.

Again screentimes don't matter but I can see your point.

Why can't she?