Jack The Ripper

Rules

• Standard morals


• Standard gear


• No prep


• Standard knowledge


• Win Condition: Jack moves on if he can blitz


• 10 feet apart

Location: Hellsing Manor

Gauntlet

1. Bane


2. Harley Quinn


3. Typhoid Mary


4. Elektra


5. Kraven


6. Silk


7. Deathstroke (no Ikon suit)


8. Daredevil (shadowlands)

Straight up speed blitzing Elektra or Kraven from that distance? He can probably do it but I'm not certain. Definitely stops at Silk.

@sy8000: Actually I meant a shorter distance. I was think of another battle at the time. Bumping it down to 10 feet.

Deathstroke above Silk

Y I K E S

Stops there

Unless Silk got some new feats in her on-going, she gets blitzed, too. Having a statement from Slott isn't enough without the showings to back it up.

@mr_ingenuity: Now he should clear those two at least.

Is it really just a statement? Seems like it was supported in context when she first appeared. Although I have no idea what her average showings are like.

I remember her dancing around Pete and him thinking/saying she's faster but nothing as extreme as Jack blitzing a bullet timer multiple times in the same panel.

In short, I think she's very fast, but unless I forget something amazing she hasn't backed it up past Slott's intent via Spidey's statement.

Well Silk doesn't need to be faster than Jack. She just needs to be quick enough to not get blitzed. Also Slott did have Silk out run Peter when they were web swinging. I would say she is faster than Peter based on how Slott wrote her but I stopped reading her ongoing at some point due to school.

@jashro44: Outpacing Peter as they were web-slinging denotes raw speed, not necessarily superior reflexes. I'd say their fight was the more impressive showing for her.

Based purely on her on panel feats it's difficult to make a case for her to be fast enough to avoid Jack's blitz without falling back to Peter/Slott's statement with Spider-Man as the benchmark. And statements are suggestive but unreliable, as has been proven on dozens of instances in the past.

@morpheus_:

Outpacing Peter as they were web-slinging denotes raw speed, not necessarily superior reflexes. I'd say their fight was the more impressive showing for her.

I agree but it does show that she is moving her arms very quickly. In a way web swinging has to do with reflexes because its arm movement.

Based purely on her on panel feats it's difficult to make a case for her to be fast enough to avoid Jack's blitz without falling back to Peter/Slott's statement with Spider-Man as the benchmark. And statements are suggestive but unreliable, as has been proven on dozens of instances in the past.

Well Silks does lack the exposure that Peter has to be fair so I agree if we go purely by measurable feats Peter would have the advantage. But I think considering the fact that Peter admitted she is faster and that we have silk out pacing Peter, and Silk dancing around his webbing at close range. So I don't really think its just a case of statements but I think Silks showings support it (the ones under Slott at least).

I don't think the speed gap is huge but I think it exists. Even if its only a slight advantage for silk.

I don't know if Jack full out blitzed Luther. Luther wouldn't necessarily try to dodge all the time given he knows he can tank hits and he proved he could at least somewhat contend once he got used to Jack.

@sy8000: I believe he did in the panel where he slices him multiple times - but Luther knowing he can withstand and potentially electing to tank at least some of those hits is a good point. Luther could contend with Jack but much of it was circumstantial and due to perseverance/attrition.

@jashro44:I would normally agree but reactionary speed during combat can be subtly separate to regular motions. We know characters that can dodge/catch bullets are still hit frequently despite the fact that their opponents obviously aren't faster than a bullet in motion.

If we take the statement at face value, she's faster than Peter and Jack isn't passing that round, that's fair to me. But if we lead strictly by on panel showings, that shouldn't be the case. Likewise so, in a gauntlet designed to highlight skill, I'd find it difficult to truly support Gorgon or Daken being Wolverine's superiors in prowess purely because Logan stated that they are.

@morpheus_:

I would normally agree but reactionary speed during combat can be subtly separate to regular motions. We know characters that can dodge/catch bullets are still hit frequently despite the fact that their opponents obviously aren't faster than a bullet in motion.

I would normally agree but I think Slott was trying to show that she was just faster than Peter in general. Peter made 3 statements about Silks speed, and one of them involved her slapping him and Peter saying there was no way he would have dodged it IIRC. So I think she is also faster in combat. Her silk-sense is also supposedly better than spider-sense.

If we take the statement at face value, she's faster than Peter and Jack isn't passing that round, that's fair to me. But if we lead strictly by on panel showings, that shouldn't be the case. Likewise so, in a gauntlet designed to highlight skill, I'd find it difficult to truly support Gorgon or Daken being Wolverine's superiors in prowess purely because Logan stated that they are.

Well in the case of Gorgon, Wolverine said he couldn't match him using technique which is ambiguous IMO. Gorgon has a huge stat advantage on wolverine and he is skilled in his own right. I always interpreted that as wolverine saying he just needed to do what he could to land hits and he couldn't aim his hits because the combination of Gorgons speed and skill made it to hard. So he was just trying to go for broke in an effort to beat Gorogn.

With Daken I think he was genuinely meant to be better than wolverine when he first showed up but than he started to job after he killed punisher and wolverine beat him 3-4 times IIRC. So I think Daken went through some serious villain decay and his portrayal changed. Either that or wolverine got better I guess. I could be wrong but I don't think Silks portrayal has changed. I am sure Peter would beat her in a fight due to his experience and strength but I think she is meant to be faster than him to some extent.

Definitely stops at Silk.