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Is there anything the current Avengers can do to stop a bloodlusted Magik?

Can they prevent her from teleporting them into the sun? or bringing them into Limbo? or teleporting limbs and heads off?

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before magik chunks then into space? those discs form instantly...but i guess that's the only way to put her down realistically. How long would it take for magic to lose consciousness? anything longer than a second or 2 and it probably wont work. Magik can just port to another dimension in a second and still control discs on earth like what she did in the crimson cosmos...and she controls time too (not sure how she uses it though) a blitz won't work and energy blasts wont work too

@CitizenBane:

@aerokinesis said:

@CitizenBane:

@chiq: Since you didn't give a starting distance default distance is "relatively close" ... I think avengers could get her if it is about 10 feet apart.

@sandiego008: yup. agreed. she can go intangible though magic...doesn't do it often so its not a standard battle practice of hers. So i don't know if that is a viable option here.

@chiq said:

@sandiego008: yup. agreed. she can go intangible though magic...doesn't do it often so its not a standard battle practice of hers. So i don't know if that is a viable option here. depends on reaction time.

Didn't you post a scan of her teleporting before Photon in light form could tag her with Magik, with Magik saying something like you move at the speed of light, but the speed of thought is faster and then teleporting? She should be able to teleport before any of them reach her if she is teleporting faster than a light speeder can hit her right?

@LordOfAllHumans: the speed of thought is nowhere near the speed of light. that doesnt even make sense. I remember that scan and it was just idiotic

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@chiq said:

@sandiego008: yup. agreed. she can go intangible though magic...doesn't do it often so its not a standard battle practice of hers. So i don't know if that is a viable option here. depends on reaction time.

Didn't you post a scan of her teleporting before Photon in light form could tag her with Magik, with Magik saying something like you move at the speed of light, but the speed of thought is faster and then teleporting? She should be able to teleport before any of them reach her if she is teleporting faster than a light speeder can hit her right?

yeah, i did but not sure if that is pis or not. She should be able to teleport them in a blink of an eye. Not too sure on magik's reaction time if being a demon enhances her reflexes and thought process way above standard humans. or if her time manipulation powers affects her reaction time as well.

@mextli said:

@LordOfAllHumans: the speed of thought is nowhere near the speed of light. that doesnt even make sense. I remember that scan and it was just idiotic

You can't clock the speed of thought, so that is really a ridiculous statement so any instance of light being said to be faster makes just as little sense and is usually hyperbole, and before we get into how fast things move in the brain, remember there are non-physical beings that don't have brains and think, so how fast are their thoughts? Thoughts travel instantly when projected outside the mind, light does not travel instantly and takes time, no matter how little it takes. Example. Professor X needs to contract Lilandra in the Shi'ar empire lightyears away, he uses telepathy and they have an instant connection, it will take light at least one year to travel one light year and the Shi'ar is several light years away.

@LordOfAllHumans: @chiq: It is PIS. Magik does not have the reaction speed to react to something moving at the speed of light. Normal human brains do not think that fast and there is nothing in magic powerset that gives her reaction or thinking speed beyond the limits of a normal human. its pis not to mention i am pretty sure someone pointed out that was not the real photon but a danger room simulation. And we can clock the speed of thought. Neuroscientists have down so and are able to measure the amount of time it takes for the synapses in our brain to react to stimuli. The human brain has measured thought and reaction speeds that we can observe and they are nowhere near lightspeed. As for the the point of non-physical beings, that is entirely irrelevant. Magik is a physical being with a physical human brain. she is bound by those resrictions. In the case of telepathy of professor X, he isnt thinking in light speeds and his thoughts are not traveling through physical space like light has too, so that doesnt mean anything here either.

@chiq said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@chiq said:

@sandiego008: yup. agreed. she can go intangible though magic...doesn't do it often so its not a standard battle practice of hers. So i don't know if that is a viable option here. depends on reaction time.

Didn't you post a scan of her teleporting before Photon in light form could tag her with Magik, with Magik saying something like you move at the speed of light, but the speed of thought is faster and then teleporting? She should be able to teleport before any of them reach her if she is teleporting faster than a light speeder can hit her right?

yeah, i did but not sure if that is pis or not. She should be able to teleport them in a blink of an eye. Not too sure on magik's reaction time if being a demon enhances her reflexes and thought process way above standard humans. or if her time manipulation powers affects her reaction time as well.

even if so the Avengers above are not even marginally light speed, usually when she wants a stepping disc it appears and she can use them like trap doors, they open beneath you and you just fall in, she did that ti Anole when she banished him to a Limbo desert.

@mextli said:

@LordOfAllHumans: @chiq: It is PIS. Magik does not have the reaction speed to react to something moving at the speed of light. Normal human brains do not think that fast and there is nothing in magic powerset that gives her reaction or thinking speed beyond the limits of a normal human. its pis not to mention i am pretty sure someone pointed out that was not the real photon but a danger room simulation. And we can clock the speed of thought. Neuroscientists have down so and are able to measure the amount of time it takes for the synapses in our brain to react to stimuli. The human brain has measured thought and reaction speeds that we can observe and they are nowhere near lightspeed. As for the the point of non-physical beings, that is entirely irrelevant. Magik is a physical being with a physical human brain. she is bound by those resrictions. In the case of telepathy of professor X, he isnt thinking in light speeds and his thoughts are not traveling through physical space like light has too, so that doesnt mean anything here either.

I only asked him because he posted the scan and I was wondering why he would now hesitate to say she can teleport before they cover the distance. It's not irrelevant it asks a very valid question especially when debating beings that real world science wouldn't be able to figure out anyway. You are still talking about brains and the reaction to stimuli that is a way to measure how fast a person reacts not how fast they are actually thinking. If a person does not react at all to stimuli then how can you measure how fast the thought is? It means thoughts are faster than light in the case of Prof X, because as you pointed out they don't travel in physical space, they transcend it, unlike light which is still bound by time and space which is why thought are faster. I know he isn't thinking at light speed, his thoughts are faster than that, instant. Thoughts and ideas are conceptual and cannot be quantified with physical measurement. Photon when in light form is nothing but light taking the shape of her body with her thoughts directing it, her physical body is shunted away, so how does she change course or do anything in light form if her body is always moving faster than she can think? doesn't really matter, none of this needs to be debated here especially since nobody here is a lighter speeder.

@mextli: that's i was wondering if being a demon enhances her though process since other hell lords like dormamu and mephistio (who she battles) seem to battle people like the surfer. but yes, i have no problem w/ it being pis. just like shaggyman hitting superman of the flash. a lot of people fight people who move at light speed. thanos, hulk, juggernaut, doomsday, shaggyman. people just assume they have the reactions to hit the lightspeeders since they battle all the time. Spiral was able to beat photon as well. I don't think magik has a slower reaction time then any of these bricks since she has fought w/ thor, mephisto etc...but realistically light speeders should never be hit.

@LordOfAllHumans: It is irrelevant to this battle because magik is physical and is bound by the limitations of the human brain. And even then going off feats magik hasnt dispayed any such reaction time or thinking time. And you let me try to make this a little clearer. We can measure how fast people think, we can measure the time it takes for the electrical impulses in our brain to start and finish before we can complete a thought. that is thinking speed and we can easily measure it and it is far less than light speed. and actually thinking and reaction speed are highly interrelated. Thoughts are reactions to stimuli, whether it is internal or external. and also even though our thoughts seem instantaneous to us, they actually take time to form and for us to become aware of them. and also you are not understanding my point with professor X. When using telepathy the thoughts he transmits still take time to form and that time is less than light speed and when he sends his thoughts telepathically, they do not travel through physical space, so they do not have to travel faster than light. It is like the concept of a warp drive in star trek. the ship can reach distances faster than light not because it is actually travelling faster than it, it isnt traveling through space at all. And when Photon goes into light form she becomes sentient light because she doesnt have a regular human brain she has the thinking and reaction speed to interpret and control herself, like flash.

@LordOfAllHumans:yep. i actually think she does not even need to see the object and just think it. i have seen her just teleport people scattered all over the battlfield while facing the other direction and she could choose and select the individuals she wanted teleported.

She could even turn her discs solid and use them as platforms to levitate herself and other people which basically makes her a flyer like this scan inside a volcano. a lot of applications can be done with these showings like having a permanent multiple bfr shields around her during battle. on top of her healing, intangiblity and armor. so her reaction time wont matter as greatly since she will have multiple shields which can stand up to any blast since its a bfr shield around her at all times. sadly writters arnt as creative or dont want to over power her.

heck i'v seen her teleport guns out of soliders hands so she can just take out weapons like cap's shield, ww lasso hawkeyes bow at the start of the match. she really suffers from CIS and PIS. most extinction team fights should start in limbo where shes all powerful since its just a split second away from her. but i understand the need to nerf her in the context of x-men battles in comics.

I've always wondered is teleporting them into the ground bfr? she can attack like kitty, if kitty can phase people into the ground and objects into them, magik can teleport shards of metal into their brains or teleport them into solid rock.

Magik is indeed a powerful demon queen, but her reaction time to flight, telepathy, and speedblitz will trump her immediately! Her only best options is to bring the Avengers back into Limbo, where her words are literally laws! Thor will have the most fun with her as his magical weapon and hers would cancel the other due to mystical connections and plot device. Then, the rest of the Avengers could try kill her after bringing her back to Earth! But this seems unlikely as Magik has unlimited of demon armies to defend and protect their queen!

@ivan_jimenez86: how are they going to bring her back to Earth from a dimension she can lock? She owned the Enchantress and Dr. Strange in Limbo. Thor isn't a classical magic user, he's just a brick with magical objects that she can negate in her realm. She's dealt with faster speed blitzing than this team has and nobody here is a telepath. Magik can stomp this team bloodlusted with no PIS.

Thing punched her away while she was empowered with the Phoenix Force. She fought Black Widow. She's not going to teleport everybody before they can hit her once which is all that's needed.

Honestly Magik stomps none of them are fast enough to get to her before she teleports their heads off.

@lordofallhumans: Thor's plot armour device weapon will unblock her dimensional abilities. It could also absorb high end magics, so what's to stop Thor from absorbing the entire Limbo dimension and killing every demons with a flight+super strength+hammer toss combo? Her reaction time are still slower than Captain America, whose been upgraded to metahuman levels since the 2000s. Her time manipulation isn't nothing new Dr.Strange hasn't seen nor countered. Her soul sword would give Thor and Dr.Strange both a tingle with a few slashes, but against a team of non-magical creatures, it wouldn't even do anything that could make them shiver with fear. Spiderman's spider web blast along with his spider sense will steal it from her without Magik even knowing what had happen. Her magical abilities will take down a couple Avengers but knowing Black Panther and Iron Man working and preparing with Dr.Strange will find a way to negate her witchcraft like they did with Nightmare. Magic will take her far in this matchup, but against a team of Avengers who has fought more deadlier beasts than Magik could ever think of, she will be taken out!

In universe, the team would likely win, but logically I'm going with Magik.