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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Muscular should win
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Muscular takes this.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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#13
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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#14
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
All might or Endeavor go hunting
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Muscular should win
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Muscular takes this.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular wins lol
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Muscular should win
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular wins lol
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular wins lol
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular wins lol
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Muscular should win
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Muscular takes this.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular from the vanguard action squad of My Hero Academia vs Shoto Todoroki and Katsuki Bakugo from My Hero Academia.
Morals on win by KO or death. Team knows to take him seriously.
Fight in a field start 50 feet apart.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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Muscular slaughters them.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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yeah, Muscular wins comfortably, Bakugou's dead weight and Todoroki can't solo, even with morals off.
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Muscular should win
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Muscular should win
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Muscular should win
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Muscular takes this.
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Muscular takes this.
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Muscular takes this.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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Team wins. Muscular doesn't have good energy resistance feats so he isn't tanking too many explosions from Bakugo and Todoroki's versatile and powerful quirk speaks for itself.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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What? Todoroki hard solos. He freezes him like he did Noumu. Except Muscular can’t regenerate. So he dies if he tries to move.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: @chronicplane: @rampagethefirst: @thewatcherking: How is Muscular beating Todoroki or Bakugo? He’s shown no energy/heat resistance, and has no answer to being frozen.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@lil_remains: He's much faster than both of them for starters. Deku at five percent of one for all could barely react to him when he was only playing around. An eight percent Deku was even with Bakugou in speed, which means Muscular would be faster than bakugou too since it was stated that the difference between five and eight percent isn't big.
Beyond the speed advantage he has, he is also far stronger than both and is capable of one shotting either. Unless you're going to be super anal about the difference between blunt force attacks and explosions then his tanking a punch from 100% Deku is more than enough to say he can take Bakugou's explosions. Todoroki has no speed feats to say he is on par with Deku in speed, so I don't see why he can't be blitzed along with Bakugou.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@thewatcherking: Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@lil_remains:
Todoroki reacted to reciproburst, which Iida used to blitz Stain, who’s faster then Deku at 5%. It’s very likely that from 50 ft, Todoroki can freeze Muscular.
Bad example considering Stain was moving faster than Todoroki could react to, and needed saving from Tenya.
Not to mention Todoroki only barely reacted to said reciproburst, and was immediately tagged right after the initial kick. Muscular was able to give Deku a run for his money later after he had already fought Stain(while again only playing around), meaning Izuku would have had more time to get better with his quirk than he was against Stain. I don't see why Muscular wouldn't be able to blitz Todoroki considering Stain can,who seems to be slower than Muscular.
And it's not like Muscular has to run in a straight line, if he sees Todoroki about to use his ice he can leap into the air.
Plus, no energy/heat resistance? He gets KOed by Bakugo’s large explosions, or Todorokis fire.
His lack of heat resistance feats means we can't assume he can no sell Todoroki's fire but there is no way we can just assume the explosions will one shot Muscular. The amount of force Deku hits with is far greater than Bakugou's explosions and a difference between an explosion and blunt force punches shouldn't change that.
There is also the fact that despite being serious their morals are on, so they won't be attacking to kill.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps: Shoto is the dead weight not Kachan.
Kachan has a chance to evade, Shoto doesnt.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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Todoroki hangs back and freezes him while Bakugo distracts him with his haphazard approach.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
Except that was a different part of that fight in which Todoroki was stated to have obstructed his own field of vision.
Let's say that's true, nothing suggests he can't blitz and one shot them regardless.
@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@thewatcherking: Yes, stain remarks on why Todoroki couldn’t react. He “obstructed his vision against an opponent faster than him” he couldn’t see stain, and that’s why he was almost tagged
Edit: Also there’s nothing to suggest he won’t be KOed from 3rd degree burns from either Todoroki or Bakugo.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him with his flames and Stain moved to the left to dodge it. His flames have never been shown to obstruct his vision, so I don't see why we need to assume they did there.
He was literally assigned to kill Deku, Kota wasn't important. Bringing him up isn't relevant due to that and that and the fact that Kota obviously isn't some hero in training that he has to fight. He could afford to take his time killing deku and then move on to Kota. And I've already said that just because they launch an attack doesn't mean it will tag him, and Bakugou doesn't use his explosions to get away from opponents aside from the League of Villians instance that is in no way comparable to this.
If you think that, that's fine. I disagree, and think it's incredibly inane to think that Bakugou is one shotting Muscular. By the logic you have used Bakugou could one shot All For One or the Noumu from the USJ incident.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: You can literally Stain coming across the left side, and Todorokis flames obstructing his view.
He isn’t fast enough to cover 50 feet befor either of them can get attack, and he’s more likely to go for only one, like he did against Deku and Kota. Hell he can’t even tag Bakugo in the air.
Todoroki freezes and oneshots. Bakugo makes a big explosion and oneshots.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first, and is wholly intent on killing both. However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
@lil_remains said:
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
@thewatcherking: No, we see Todoroki trying to tag him, however he doesn’t not notice until Stain is close that he dodged. You know, because he blocked his sight, which stain remarked on.
Once again, Stain said that at a completely different point in the fight. Here is Stain's comment
This takes place an entire chapter before the scans I shown where Stain blitzes Todoroki. Now I would love to see you prove Todoroki blocked his own field of vision instead of giving me what is at best, mildly conceivable fan theories.
Muscular literally goes fo Kota first,
...Because he saw Kota first. Obviously he would attack the person he saw first, but once Deku saved him Muscular started prioritizing his attack on Deku.
and is wholly intent on killing both.
I never said otherwise, but this is besides the point.
However he fights them one at a time. That’s the only way we’ve seen him fight, and as a result that’s what we can assume how he will fight. Allowing himself to get one shot by the other .
This is dumb, Shigaraki literally put Deku on the list of people that HAD to be killed. Of course he would be attacking the guy he is supposed to kill over some random kid. Of course he was planning on killing both of them, but he primarily was attacking Deku since
A) He was the priority
B) Deku was protecting Kota, and killing Deku would allow him to get to Kota.
There is no logical reason to think he will exclusively attack on person at a time because he has had one fight where he was fighting one person. If he was fighting multiple people with quirks at once and he fought as you described you would have a point, otherwise it's just inane.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Show energy/heat resistance, or he gets Frozen/onehshot
How? Your logic is that because he has shown no heat resistance he has to be one shotted, so by this logic he can one shot All For One and the Noumu from the USJ incident right? Obviously feats are important, but you're pushing it. Bakugou didn't even one shot Deku when they fought, and he is one shotting someone who is capable of shrugging off 100% punches? It's stupid and you know it, which is why you didn't address my all for one point, who just like Muscular, has no energy based durability feats.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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Bakugo’s resellience might make the fight last enough for Todoroki to burn or freeze Muscular which should slow him down leaving him vulnerable to more of his attacks.
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#22
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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#22
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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Muscular takes this comfortably.
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#23
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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#23
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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Muscular rips them several new orifaces
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#24
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Muscular should win.
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#24
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Muscular should win.
#24
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular should win.
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Muscular tears them to shreds
All might or Endeavor go hunting
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#25
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Muscular tears them to shreds
All might or Endeavor go hunting
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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#25
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Muscular tears them to shreds
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#26
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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#26
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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Muscular wins lol
Seriously this man can generate enough force to contend with an 100% smash
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