Maul is quite a bit beyond either of them. Together they could present a challenge but they're not winning.

@fairtrade: Only floating around for the next month and a half. May make more solid commitments after.

I'm enjoying this. :)

Being unconvinced of Kaan's telepathic powers being of any use in a fight like this, I'm siding with Draay.

@azronger: No, that's from the Jedi Academy Training Manual. Page 156.

@grinningf0x: That's arguable, but even if I accepted that premise, it only indicates that he's comparable to a heavily pre-prime Plagueis in terms of raw strength in the Force. ILS rightly points out...

@grinningf0x: Right, but the text states in no uncertain terms that Plagueis' capacity for the Force was significantly greater than what Tenebrous had envisioned. So while Tenebrous would've wanted Ve...

@grinningf0x: Although that's true, The Tenebrous Way establishes that Tenebrous had grossly underestimated his disciple.

@dark-sith123: There's at least two reasons to assume Obi-Wan is close to Dooku in raw power. One being that Dooku has only ever dismissed Kenobi by catching him off-guard or gathering power before ha...

@kilius: You're right. They're on the same level so it's predominately by exploiting lapses in his Force defences that Dooku and Maul can choke him. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

@dark-sith123: Dooku shoved him with a whipcrack of power that he had gathered beforehand. It doesn't make sense that the Count could effortlessly dispose of someone who is proximate to him in skill a...

@lordofthelight: I guess it's possible to see Obi-Wan winning now that Kun keeps getting knocked back by all the scaling. If you devalue the Malak quote, which I suppose there's a case for, then there...

It's hard to tell who's better in sabers, but Venamis doesn't have anything to suggest he's on par with Wyyrlok in the Force. Siding with the Chagrian here.

Vectivus could probably hold his own but I see no reason to think his blade skills or capacity with the Force (with what limited information we have of them) are a match for Vader's. Our favourite cyb...

Maul could be deduced to be on another level entirely between Gillard's rankings which place him a level above Kit Fisto (in the words of Gillard, "an enormous difference") and the fact that Kolar per...

Kenobi is better by any metric.

I think Cade could compete but Talon's practically fodder.

@xolthol: Alright.@azronger Let's take this to voting.