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How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League















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Posted by xZone
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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




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#1
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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?












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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.












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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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@amcu: understood












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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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Nope.












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#21
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He didn't get an amp.












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#22
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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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None.












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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League















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Posted by xZone
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1 month, 8 days ago




Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




No Caption Provided












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#1
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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?












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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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#5
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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.












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#10
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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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#11
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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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#12
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@amcu: understood












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#13
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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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#20
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Nope.












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#21
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He didn't get an amp.












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#22
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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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None.












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#25
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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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#27
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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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Posted by xZone
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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




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#1
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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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#2
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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?












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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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#5
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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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#6
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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.












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#8
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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This



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#9
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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.












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#10
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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



Okay...



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#11
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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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#12
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@amcu: understood












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#13
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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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He didn't get an amp.












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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.












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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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@amcu: understood












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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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He didn't get an amp.












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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.












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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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@amcu: understood












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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He didn't get an amp.












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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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@amcu: understood












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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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He didn't get an amp.












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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.












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He didn't get one.



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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.












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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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@amcu: understood












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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...












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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.












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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes












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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.












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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.












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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?












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He didn't get an amp.












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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.












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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.












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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.












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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.










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Posted by xZone
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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




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Posted by xZone
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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




No Caption Provided









Posted by xZone
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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




No Caption Provided








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Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%




No Caption Provided





Poll: How much of an amp did WODC Clark receive from Justice League (36 votes)


None, he was already this OP 31%



Maybe a little 14%



A pretty good upgrade 31%



More than twice his previous level of power 25%





None, he was already this OP 31%







Maybe a little 14%







A pretty good upgrade 31%







More than twice his previous level of power 25%







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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.








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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.








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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.







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I tend to go with vsbattles so he got a lot more powerful. Hard to tell if he was always that powerful since he had so much exposure to kryptonite before the fight with zodsday.









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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.





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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?








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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?







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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?





@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.





@amcu said:


He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.









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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.



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@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?




Sorry I phrased that wrong. His striking isn't lower. He just didn't get feats as good as he did in MOS/BVS. That can be chalked up to him not trying as hard though because he didn't face any opponents on his level that he would need to let loose on.





@heatforce said:



@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?






@heatforce said:




@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.



My I ask why you believe his striking was lower?





@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.




He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking was lower than normal throughout the film.





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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.








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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.








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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.







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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho, I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.









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He didn't get one.



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He didn't get one.



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He didn't get one.



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He didn't get one.





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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.








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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.








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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.







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A pretty good upgrade


BvS: Wonder Woman was almost on the same level as Superman.


Justice League: Superman stomps Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyboorg at same time.









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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This



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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This



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He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.


This





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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.








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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.








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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.







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@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.



This.





@amcu said:

He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.





@amcu said:


He only got a very noticeable bump in combat speed. He got a nice strength feat as well. But his striking feats where lower than normal throughout the film.









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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



Okay...



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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



Okay...



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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



Okay...



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@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.



Okay...





@supremegeneration said:

I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.





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I put double for the lols but idk. He was definitely amped tho,I don't care what the fanboys wanna say.





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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.



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He either was always meant to be this powerful or got a decent upgrade.





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@amcu: understood








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@amcu: understood








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@amcu: understood







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@amcu: understood









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#13
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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...








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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...








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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...







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He's simply got a high tier speed feat...









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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.








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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.








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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.







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Let's see. Wondy didn't struggle with Doomsday as much as she did with Steppenwolf. Clark struggled with Doomsday too, and I would even say WW fared better against Doomsday than SM, meaning that she at the very least is very close to his level. Now Supey wakes up a bit different and he can absolutely no sell everything Wonder Woman has to offer physically and also humiliate someone who was IIRC dominating her in every encounter, which shows him operating on levels she isn't capable of at this point.


So, either WW was nerfed, which is illogical, or Supes was amped probably as he was exposed to some exotic energies of Motherbox.









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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes








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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes








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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes







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Would’ve been stronger with the mustache. Mustache Supes>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mustache less Supes









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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.



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He had no noticeable upgrades.


What seemingly looked like an upgrade was actually Wonder Woman being nerfed. Either she shouldn't have struggled with Steppenwolf or Steppenwolf should've put up at least a fight against Clark. He couldn't even land a single hit on Superman.


In terms of feats, Superman's best speed and striking feats are still from MoS. In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000. That's faster than anything in Justice League. The World Engine feat and the Train feats are still his best striking feats and they are from MoS too. His best durability feat is still from BvS, the 300 DB feat.


The only upgrade in JL was the lifting feat. He had a 6000+ ton feat in BvS and in JL he seemingly had a 7500+ ton feat. That is a negligible upgrade since neither of them are at the realm of his limits. He is capable of even higher feats since none of these feats put any noticeable stress on him.





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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.








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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.








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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.







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@adamtrmm: plus doesn't Clark still have the codex inside him? Not saying that's a reason for him to be more powerful but may be a reason why he didn't become a doomsday himself.









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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.








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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.








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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.







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He got Freeze Breath and showed the ability to enter Flashtime. And plus he carried a building with ease. So a pretty good upgrade.









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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?








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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?








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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?







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@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.



Really? When did this happen?





@deltahuman said:

In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.





@deltahuman said:


In MoS he was calculated to be Mach 3000.









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Nope.








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Nope.








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He didn't get an amp.








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He didn't get an amp.








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He didn't get an amp.







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He didn't get an amp.









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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.








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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.








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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.







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He didn’t get one. He only seemed powerful because 3/4s of the JLA was holding back/inexperienced, and he was out of character.









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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.



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@subline:


He flew from the Canadian Arctic to Mount Kilimanjaro in Kenya in 2-3 seconds. This was calculated to be around Mach 3000, a long time back.


Then there's the World Engine flight speed. He flew from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in 5 seconds or so. This isn't due to scene cuts. The World Engine and Zod's ship were synchronized. As soon as he destroyed the World Engine, the ship in Metropolis stopped working. It then took him about 5-6 seconds to reach Metropolis and save Louis. That was calculated to be around Mach 900.


In BvS, he flew from Metropolis to somewhere in Mexico in around 3 seconds.


There is another feat that could be more than even Mach 3000 but there's an assumption needed to calculate it. When he fought Zod, he and Zod reached Wanye's satellite in 2 seconds. Now we don't know if the satellite was orbiting in Polar Orbit or a Geosynchronous Orbit. Polar Orbit is at around 600 km which is still astoundingly fast if you can reach there in 2 seconds. But if it was in Geosynchronous Orbit then things change drastically. Geosynchronous Orbit is at 36000 km above earth. If they can reach there in 2-3 seconds then it's around 12000-18000 km per second which is mind boggling. I mean it is around Mach 35000, which is such a high speed that it's difficult to comprehend.





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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.








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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.








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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.







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The movie never stated he was any stronger than before, therefore he wasn't stronger.


It's also worth pointing out that Wonder Woman wasn't fighting Clark like she was fighting Doomsday, and that Doomsday and Steppenwolf are entirely different beasts.


Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday because he was a crazed, unintelligent monster that didn't have anything that could block her sword effectively. Steppenwolf is an ancient warrior with thousands of years of experience and an axe and armor that can stop her blade. This doesn't mean Steppenwolf is stronger than Doomsday, it just means Steppenwolf is better equipped to fight Wonder Woman.


Know what's real good at concussing someone inside armor, though? The immense blunt force of a superhuman alien's fists.


Meanwhile Wonder Woman never used her sword against Superman. She didn't want to kill him. As far as we know it would have sliced through Clark just as well as it did against Doomsday. I also doubt Doomsday would be any more effected by Wonder Woman's headbutt than Clark was.


Instead of calling it inconsistent due to not following ABC logic it's better to look at the actual skills and abilities these characters have.









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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.








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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.








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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.







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@deltahuman: Ok thanks. I was unsure as I often see people lowball his speed.









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The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.








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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.








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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.







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@heatforce:


The rumors suggest the codex WAS the reason Clark's resurrection was even possible originally as opposed to the cut we've seen that ignored everything including common sense. And it would've provided the needed context as his resurrection in the movie feels absolutely random and cringey. And there was supposed to be even more context to it like why did Bruce even suggest resurrection as the option and how Knightmare's Supes was under the influence of Anti Life Equation, so the resurrection is a way to prevent that.









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