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#1
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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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#3
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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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#4
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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Kefla lolstomps.












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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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#8
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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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#9
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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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#12
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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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#16
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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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#17
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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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#19
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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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#20
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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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#21
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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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#22
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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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#1
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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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#2
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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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#3
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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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#4
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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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#5
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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Kefla lolstomps.












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#6
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Hakai.












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#7
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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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#8
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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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#9
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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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#10
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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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#11
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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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#12
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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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#15
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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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#16
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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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#17
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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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#18
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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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#19
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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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#20
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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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#21
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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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#22
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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@itachus17: Woah. Where is that gif from?












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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#3
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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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#4
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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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#5
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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Kefla lolstomps.












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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power













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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?












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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that












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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


SS2 Kefla was wrecking stuff just by existing.












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Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form



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Hakai.












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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.












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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.












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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.












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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.












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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.












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Kefla stomps.

















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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.















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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.












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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.












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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.












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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.












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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.












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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.













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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.












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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...












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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.










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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


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They fight in the Tournament of Power









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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


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They fight in the Tournament of Power









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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


Toppo is in base form


They fight in the Tournament of Power








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whooooooooooo would win


Kefla turns Super Saiyan 2


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What do you mean by "Tournament of Power"?








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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that








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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that








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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that







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Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that









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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


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This is dumb. Toppo base form was pretty much featless. There was nothing impressive.


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Hakai.








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Hakai.








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Hakai.







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Hakai.









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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.








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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.








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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.







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Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.









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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.








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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.








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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.







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Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.









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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.








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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.








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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.







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Kefla stomps with both arms behind her back.









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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.








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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.








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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.







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@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that



Wrong of course. Normal SSBE = Kaioken Blue because that's how they've been portrayed anyway. Anyone who thinks powered SSBE is equal to that is deluding themselves.





@u_wot_m8 said:

Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that





@u_wot_m8 said:


Toppo loses in any form, interviews came out stating Vegeta new form = x 20 Kaioken Goku. And Kefla SSJ overpowered that









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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.








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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.








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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.







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Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.









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Kefla stomps.








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Kefla stomps.








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Kefla stomps.







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Kefla stomps.









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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.











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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.











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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.










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@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.








@chaosknight75 said:

Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.





@chaosknight75 said:


Kefla takes it. She even has the power to win against God Toppo hard-difficulty at Legendary Super Saiyan 2.









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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.








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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.








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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.







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@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




(1) I doubt if Goku was holding back too. Remember when Goku fought Black? Vegeta said Goku always holds back when fighting his opponent for the first time.


(2) SSB Vegeta >= Justice Toppo, you should of known this if you have really watched them fight.


(3) Exhausted SSB Goku fought SSJ Kefla evenly. And when he went blue kaoiken, Goku managed to attack her and the attack made Kefla flinch. Then, Kefla won with a cheap shot as you said. MEaning SSB Goku > SSJ Kefla.





@comicgirl21 said:


Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.






@comicgirl21 said:



Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (1)(Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


(2)so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat (3)Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that (3)Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. (3)I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.










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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.








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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.








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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.







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Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


Toppo Base loses. But his GOD form wins in a good fight via Hakai Armor.


Kefla is like, sub-GoD level.


@u_wot_m8/ Ican't explain in detail right now but SSJBKKx20 Goku (Post-Second UIS) is > Initial UIS Goku due to fighting a more powered up Jiren.









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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.








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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.








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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.







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It is funny how there still a bit hype exists for a joke like Toppo.


That transformation of Kefla beats any version of Toppo period and effortlesly curbstomps base Toppo.









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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.








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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.








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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.







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@zachary327:


ad1.


Argument can be made Toppo or anyone else was holding back too. Unless you have a direct proof of someone saying or noticing Goku isnt fighting to his fullest, this argument is empty. To the contrary, Goku stating himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" is a direct proof that Goku was not holding back since he couldnt have determined that otherwise.


ad2.


Lol Toppo only fought Vegeta briefly before they both transformed and he actually scored a lot more hits than Vegeta did. He also didnt power up with his red aura (which happens when ge goes full power) so he didnt even fight Vegeta using his full power, while Vegeta was in his maximum form (Blue) and had his pride akp because Toppo called him weaker than Goku.


In other words Casual Toppo > Full power pride amped Blue Vegeta, based on how much hits they scored. Full power Toppo >>>> Blue Vegeta.


Seems to me like you're the one who didnt watch the show.


ad3. Kefla still won the fight against exhausted Kaiokenx20 so I give her credit to be on the level of Kaioken Blue x10. Its only my rough opinion though. Toppo should win against SSJ1 Kefla. SSJ2 is a massive boost though, so Im giving it to Kefla in a hard fight, unless Toppo can use hakaishin transformation. Than he deletes Kefla.









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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.








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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.








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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.







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Base Toppo loses badly.


GoD toppo stomps.


Ssbe initial vegeta was >= ssb kkx20 Goku


He got a huge boost against Toppo though that allowed him to effortlessly stomp Toppo.


Where at first GoD Toppo was Beating vegeta pretty badly.









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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.









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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.









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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.








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@comicgirl21:


(1) I was talking about the fight between Goku and Android 17.


(2) Vegeta could even cope alone during his fight with toppo despite being distracted by Goku and Kefla's fight.


(3) Even extremely tired SSB Goku could fight on par with SSJ Kefla and inflict damage on her for a short while. That can mean Full Health SSB Goku > Kefla.










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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.








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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.








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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.







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@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.



This and lol @God-Toppo stomping, God-Toppo was just a ruse and Beyond Blue Vegeta already showed us that he was never worthy of his title.




@alsimmons77 said:

Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.




Lol even God Toppo would lose, Toppo in base form gets one shotted by a bitchslap from Kefla.









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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...








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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...








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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...







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@gunchar16: How come he wasn't when belmond said that he was the same as any other destroyer?


For some reason people down play toppo because he lost to vegeta, who they equate with kkx20 goku (taking about post rage boost royal blue). But people forget that jiren nonchalantly pushed away a universe 7 spirit bomb (which is greater than kkx20) but was knocked on his ass by regular blue vegeta's FF after he braced himself...









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@itachus17: Woah. Where is that gif from?








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@itachus17: Woah. Where is that gif from?








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@itachus17: Woah. Where is that gif from?







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@itachus17: Woah. Where is that gif from?









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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.








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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.








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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.







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@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.




Toppo would not be able to defeat 17 in a fight. Not without transforming. 17 has an unlimited supply of energy and stamina. Toppo was trying his best to eliminate 17 while 17 was merely stalling for time. I believe both 17 and 18 said this themselves. Frieza also pointed out that 17 was toying with Toppo and he would know because he saw what 17 could do against Anilaza. Even if Toppo does have more raw power than 17. It wouldn't really matter because he does not have enough to outright beat him unless he transforms. I think 17 realized from his fights with Piccolo and Cell what he needed to improve upon so the power gap needed to outright dominate him is very high right now. Super pretty much changed the whole idea of if an opponent has a higher power level than who they are fighting. They will win no matter what. That's why Krillin bodied Gohan with 3 or so attacks. That's why at the end of the tournament when only 17, Goku, and Frieza were remaining. He went immiediately for 17 because he was the biggest threat.


For the most part I agree with the Kefla comment. I think Toppo could take advantage of Kefla's overconfidence and snag a win or two out of 10.




@comicgirl21 said:

Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.






Toppo in base form using his full power was matching Kaioken Blue Goku in exhibition match (Goku said himself that he "couldnt beat Toppo with Blue" also Beerus said their match was "close" though Goku used Kaioken) also he beat 17 who is also stronger than Goku Blue (Goku said 17 forced him to use Blue and he was still holding back)


so iys safe to say Toppo is at above SSJ Blue level, I'd put him between Blue Kakioken 10-20 level.


Kefla in SSJ 1 beat Blue Kaioken Goku, but its important to note that Goku was absolutely EXHAUSTED and depleted of energy when they fought. Kefla also only won with a surprise cheap shot. I'd say Kefla SSJ 1 is stronger than Blue, but probably weaker than full power Toppo.


SSJ 2 Kefla though should be up to the job. I'd say she will win 7/10 against Toppo. Toppo can eventually win 3/10 if he uses his superior experience and martial arts to overcome power gap.


If Toppo goes hakaishin mode, he stomps though.










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