Zero Hand To Hand Or CQC.

Morals Off.

Both Start Thirty Feet Away In An Open Field.

Both Have A Bow And Unlimited Arrows

Who Wins?

Still Oliver, he has better archery feats and more archery feats.

Oliver stomps

JK. I'd actually back Malcolm.

@the_magister@rbt@bladeoffury

@the_magister: Sorry for tagging you again lol.

Oliver. If nothing else, he'll just outlast Merlyn via his pain tolerance.

Also, this is probably the only possible fair Merlyn vs Oliver fight scenario.

Ollie stomps

Green Arrow is better in everything.

Oliver, did Merlyn arrow time, I can't remember

He did. From 150lbs bow, no less.

@rbt: Alright Thanks, I figured he had, I just didn't remember

Indeed.

You can't be serious.

@riddlerfan77: I'm not.

Oliver does win though. His bowmanship is much more established, as well as speed and pain tolerance.

Zero Hand To Hand Or CQC???

Yes because it's a stomp if any close range combat is allowed.

Ollie has improved significantly since then and has more feats but do you remember how his first [And only] archery battle against Merlyn went. Ollie got demolished. No one is stomping.

Merlyn. He has better archery feats and already beat Ollie in an archery battle in season 1 episode 9 and Oliver hasn't improved much as an archer. Look at all the Merlyn lowballing. I'm seriously considering creating a repect thread because of the lowballing.

Oliver has better pain tolerance, speed, quickdraw and accuracy. I'm struggling to remember feats from Merlyn that would give him the win here. @the_magister: Why would you back Malcolm here? Other than superior armour (which has already been pierced by Oliver's arrows), I'm not sure what advantages he has.

Merlyn destroyed him in their first archery battle, this is at the very least close.

The number of feats that Green Arrow has really doesn't matter. Dark Archer has less showings because he has less appearances. Every showing that he does have though is absolutely top quality, including pinning Nyssa to the wall by her clothing strands with three arrows fired at once and tagging Firestorm. Merlyn is still indisputably a lot more experienced of an archer, and a lot more and better trained, so I don't see why things would have changed. Oliver has grown since their first archery duel, but it's worth pointing out that last time this happened, Dark Archer severed Green Arrow's bow strap with an arrow, then filled his spinal cord with arrows. So that is how you get around pain tolerance @rbt

As I said, this isn't a stomp, but Oliver still wins.

Oliver had years to improve as an archer since their first duel, and his reflexes and accuracy are much more established. He can catch and dodge arrows from behind, catch them and use them himself, and shoot them out of the air. His reactions go beyond arrow-timing, with him obtaining low-level bullet-timing feats. He can shoot a small target mid-flip during a fight. It's close, but Oliver does win.

@bladeoffury: You said in your initial post that Ollie stomps, I just wanted to make it clear he doesn't, I'm not going to debate in my own thread.

I don't know how much we can infer from their first fight. Oliver was way in over his head and was not at all prepared to face someone like him. His first defeat was definitely a stepping stone for Oliver considering how badly he was affected by the loss and the fact that he recovered. Every other fight they have had has been much closer. Like the fight on the rooftop.

I also don't think Merlyn will be able to sneak up on Oliver anymore.

Oliver also has a feat of pinning someone with their clothes, IIRC. Better even, he did it when the guy was running away in a car.

@riddlerfan77: And then you said "you can't be serious," and I replied, "I'm not." I was not serious about Oliver stomping, I was joking, making a reference to your title.

Oliver has many feats of pinning people by their clothes, even while firing two arrows at the same time. He never did it while firing three arrows, and he definitely never did it to Nyssa.

Malcolm has tagged Oliver, Nyssa, and even Firestorm, and every time it was a perfectly placed, oneshot arrow. Who has Green Arrow actually tagged and finished? He tagged The Flash but that was with a trick. This fight takes place in a wide open field and the both of them only have regular bows and arrows. Maybe Bronze Tiger, but he didn't finish Bronze Tiger. He needs and relies on trick arrows to fill in, where Malcolm gets by with raw precision. That is what 25 years of experience versus 10 years of experience looks like.

@the_hajduk:

Oliver has many feats of pinning people by their clothes, even while firing two arrows at the same time. He never did it while firing three arrows, and he definitely never did it to Nyssa.

To be fair, Merlyn only did it because Nyssa was out of balance. He smacked her across the face and pinned her immediately. IIRC, Oliver did a very similar thing against Nyssa on the airport. Normally, she's too fast to get tagged, but Oliver got a hit in and immediately shot a rope arrow.

Malcolm has tagged Oliver, Nyssa, and even Firestorm, and every time it was a perfectly placed, oneshot arrow.

Oliver has tagged Nyssa as well, in a very similar fashion. I don't think either of them is capable of straight up tagging her unless I'm forgetting an instance where they have. I also don't remember Merlyn tagging Oliver outside of their first fight.

Who has Green Arrow actually tagged and finished?

Many, if we count him tying up people with rope arrows. Rope arrows are his finishing move and he has used them to tie up arrow timers as well. The fact that he's never wasted a rope arrow(with the exception of one) means he knows exactly when to use them and can likely finish them off with a good old regular arrow as well if he wanted to, but he chooses to tie them up instead of shooting an arrow through their heart.

That is what 25 years of experience versus 10 years of experience looks like.

Oliver has other advantages though. Merlyn himself admitted that Oliver was faster than him. But like I said in my first post, this is actually a fair fight.

@rbt:

Merlyn himself admitted that Oliver was faster than him.

When was this?

"Yes, you're younger and you're faster. Yet you always seem to come up short against me."

1x23

@rbt: cool

I meant that you couldn't be serious about Ollie stomping, not about him winning.

I understand. You were right, I wasn't serious about Oliver stomping. Oliver wins in a pretty close fight.