Hand to hand in an empty field, no gear or prep, morals off

(This hasn't been done with these conditions)

If Bruce has his suit, he takes it. Without the suit, it could go either way.

@rbt: Yeah, no gear (body armor included). That's been done already, I wanted to go pure h2h.

Hmm I'm really not sure. Bruce seems more durable and stronger. But Ward is probably faster and more skilled. Could go either way. I might actually lean towards Bruce.

Eh, Bruce doesn't have many durability showing without his suit. Pretty hard to come to a conclusion since durability will play a decent role here.

Ward should win quite comfortably, mainly because Bruce has very limited showings that aren't completely dependent on his suit.

Without the suit Ward should win.

Probably Ward.

Ward

@jsdoctor: @jsdoctor: @angeljax: @dstreet45: @amcu: Wanted to hear your opinion on a subtle hint of Bruce's expertise. Not really a feat, but basically...he was at an underground fight club, and a guy was losing. He whispered one or two words of advice to him, and the guy ended up winning by switching up his style. What do you make of that?

By feats I'd probably have to back Ward.

As usual, Bruce suffers from lack of feats, and while he does have some impressive feats in his limited appearances, it's not enough to decisively make up for lack of quantity.

By all logic and implication, he should be at least as good as Ward if not better. He's got the strength to more than match Ward, and imo he's shown enough to say he won't be outskilled to any significant degree, but ultimately there's just not enough to solidly argue for him winning

Could go either way if Bruce doesn't have his suit.

@the_magister: That's interesting. Hard to quantify but it makes him seem like a high level expert. I want him to get a film of his own so we can hopefully see him against some skillful opponents. Once/if that happens I think he will become one of the best if not the best live action CB peak humans.

Not really enough info to know for sure.

@the_magister: That's definitely very impressive, but we have no idea what he said or how to quantify it, so it's tough to use. I'd interpret that more as his ability to read opponents and improvise, as it's likely that what he did there was spot a weakness in the opponent's technique, highlight it and allow the other fighter to use it to win. I don't know what else it could be in that timeframe. So whilst that's impressive, I'm really not sure how I'd use it in a battle.

Batman still ragdolls him like a baby

Batman wins.

@the_magister: Shows his ability to speed-read and counter fighting styles so it's pretty cool. But IIRC Ward did something similar when he was able to accurately determine the details of Daisy's training based on a glance at her body.

I'm backing Bruce.

@subline: But he doesn't, since he isn't wearing the suit (part of his gear). Ward is superior in skill and speed -- Bruce was tagged by a knife even in the suit by fodder.

Ok, I'm not going to argue because I just started watching AoS recently and I havn't seen him fight much.

@angeljax and @dstreet45 can provide feats, if you'd like

Ward

bump

My boy Ward takes this.

Batman wins, he's at peak human condition and an expert tactician.

It's hard to be sure of Bruce's durability without the suit. I'm kinda leaning towards him though.

Yeah, we haven't seen Bruce out of suit enough to judge this properly. With the suit, he'd take this though.