Vs

DB is limited to gameplay mechanics.

Nico is end of HoO series and can spam powers without issue for 10 minutes before he gets tired.

Starting distance is 30 feet. Location is Manhattan.

In character.

Win by death

Be more specific. Lore feats allowed? Limited by gameplay mechanics? End of HoO series Nico?

If it's both of them at their most powerful, Dragonborn definitely takes it. Nico isn't an extraordinary swordsman by any means (not when compared to Jason or Percy), he can't summon more than a dozen fodder at once without falling asleep from exertion, and by far his best feat (turning an unwilling adversary into a ghost and banishing them) was accomplished only once in the midst of extreme bloodlust against a fodder-tier character and nearly killed himself in the process. He can control ghosts and stuff, but the Dragonborn and his go-to summons aren't the undead. And there's a limit on that power anyways considering he couldn't affect Bryce's spartoi until his little meltdown.

Meanwhile TLD is a lot more versatile with laughably greater power output (even by game standards since he can disentegrate dragons). Any skeletons that are summoned by Nico will be forced to flee or promptly dispatched by a number of restoration spells, while the Dragonborn can summon far more capable minions without any sort of adverse effect on his own health. Storm Call is automatic death since Nico can't dodge lightning. Even Fus Ro Dah will do considerable damage.

Mismatch, Nico doesn't operate anywhere near this level.

Well yes, things that you can prove are canon/valid are allowed, and things that are n-canon, like gameplay mechanics, aren't. That's the policy we use with every character.

Because most Dragonborn threads I see have a more specified set of conditions, i.e all perks, all shouts, Daedric armor, lore feats allowed/not allowed, etc. This one just has a pic, so I was a bit confused. Also, I've seen game mechanics be used quite a bit in battles, from Warcraft to MGS to even the sneak ability in Skyrim. Not that I agree, but it never hurts to make certain

@thetruthiii: It's kind of a mind numbing misconception when people specify which Dragonborn is being used. You can't "remove" or "give" him Shouts, he has all of the Shouts shown in the game and more. That's an irrefutable fact. You cannot "remove" or "give" him "lore feats", which is another way of saying, evidence that is given in written format. If the sources are reliable then they too are factual.

There is one version of the character. Picking and choosing what abilities he is allowed to have is no different from saying "Batman, but he's only allowed to have 50% of his shown strength because we're not using these feats" or "Batman, oh and we're letting him have his Batsuit for this fight." It's like, no, Batman has all of his feats and his Batsuit, because those are things he is factually in possession of. There's no argument over whether Batman has a suit or a certain feat, the same way there's no argument whether the Dragonborn knows these shouts or whatever.

@i_like_swords: Like I said, I personally don't agree with "The Dragonborn doesn't have these abilities cause they weren't shown in game" sentiment. But your other point makes no sense. It's perfectly reasonable to impose limits on a character, literally 50% of the battles on the Vine are like that.

Character 1 vs character 2, H2H combat only.

Character 1 vs character 2, speed equalized

Character 1 vs character 2, stats equalized

Character 1 vs character 2, character 1 cannot use TP/matter manipulation/etc

MoS Superman vs Non-Stormbreaker Thor

MCU Civil War Iron Man vs Luke Cage, no flight or repulsors or missiles.

Character 1 post-something arc vs end of season character 2

I can give you two dozen links of the example above. Using a character that is not at their maximum displayed power doesn't violate any rules and people do it all the time. Like everytime I see an Eragon thread, he's banned from using the empathy spell and any death words, the latter of which he spams all the time in-character. So can someone make a thread saying "Dovahkiin with only 3 shouts and Iron Armor vs blank"? Yes. Can someone make a thread saying "Dovahkiin with no lore fears vs blank?" Yes. Does it mean TLD as a character doesn't actually have those lore feats? Of course not. He's still every bit of powerful as you say he is, but he's just limited for the sake of the battle. Otherwise any speed equalized thread would be banned.

Since the OP didn't say anything, I was just making sure if he imposed any limitations on TLD. Otherwise it would be a mismatch

@thetruthiii:

It's perfectly reasonable to impose limits on a character, literally 50% of the battles on the Vine are like that.

Yes, you can make a battle where Batman doesn't have his batsuit, but my point is, that doesn't mean there is a version of Batman who has a batsuit and one who doesn't. It's still the same character.

What I was saying is people genuinely believe the Dragonborn is this fragmented character who has a "lore" version and a "gameplay" version, where they have to specify which version they are using and what abilities he has. The fact of the matter is he is one character with a factual set of skills and powers, none of which, on a factual basis, people have to give or take from him. Much like how Batman, regardless of how people stipulate their threads, has a certain level of physical power, or a certain number of gadgets. You can pretend he doesn't for the purpose of a thread, but he actually does possess them.

@thetruthiii: Limited by Gameplay mechanics

I definitely agree with P1. Dunno why anyone would assume otherwise.

The way I see it, Gameplay Dragonborn is just a handicap people put on the character to match him up against weaker adversaries. But yeah, he should definitely have all lore feats.

Okay. Still a mismatch, just not one of epic proportions. Dragonborn crouches, disappears and fires his MFTL arrows from Auriel's Bow into Nico's face. In the Skyrim world Nico would be a high ranking Necromancer at best, albeit one with skills using a sword.

@socajunkie: What about now?

@ruthlesskiller: Still a mismatch.

I agree with Soca Smelly