New-52 Jason Todd aka Red Hood :

Carl 'CJ' Johnson :

Rules -

- Jason does not have his helmet , and has two 9mm pistols , one MP5 , 2 frags , 1 flash-bang and one M4 and has his armour.

- Carl has one M4 , desert eagle , dual shawed-off shotgun , 2 frags , 2 flash-bangs and one Mini-Gun.

- Carl in his prime physical condition and with all the boxing and H2H moves from the game and has a high quality body-armour.

- Takes place in a empty warehouse with many objects around for cover.

- Takes place in the night.

- Unlimited ammo for both.

- Morals on and bloodlust off.

- Win by Death or KO.

BUMP

I don't remember Carl but wasn't he beaten up by Trevor?

@nerevarine_11: Carl never came in GTA 5 , it was Johnny.

Red Hood wins. And don't use the term New 52. Say Rebirth now......

Red Hood roflstomps. He was trained by Bruce Wayne, Shiva, Talia and the Al Caste. He also has experience in dealing with similarly classed opponents with little to no problem.

@haha_cha_cha: Well being trained by all the people you mention does not mean he is on there level and he won't stomp guys like Carl just because he has superior training.

@usha@krleavenger@royal_warrior@dsb@lord-parallax@cable_extreme@batman3000@silent_reaper views ????

What if he wanted to limit Red Hood's feats to only N52?

Carl shoots him.

@aurelion-: Well, that would be stupid

Why exactly?

@aurelion-: Why limit a character in that way? I could understand only using a certain writers version. But limiting to new 52 is kinda stupid.

@allstarsuperman: Well obviously because we have been using that exact distinction for the last however many years, I understand that if a version isn't specified that it would default to Rebirth but why would combining the continuity somehow take away the ability to create a thread using specifically the New 52 version of that character?

If someone made a thread involving Earth 31 Batman, I don't think you would go into the thread and say he's "limited" would you? That is a specific version of that character with his own feats. I'm not sure why classifying New 52 Batman, Pre-Flashpoint Batman, Rebirth Batman, Earth 31 Batman, Earth 2 Batman, etc would be held differently.

Well CJ can only take this in a shootout. Red Hood would absolutely dominate if it can down unarmed combat. The problem with Red Hood is he's a sneaky bas****. This is at night time so RH could sneak up on him and just kill CJ without him even knowing it. But, say if Red Hood makes some noise so we would know of his whereabouts, that's a big if. Then there is a chance, but RH literally could just flip around, take cover and make it harder to shoot at. It could be 50/50, but CJ would have to lock onto him every single time, every single time to make his shots count.

Red Hood sweeps.

@usha: Actually these are my views about the fight

Skills - Jason > Carl (Slightly).

Physicals - Carl > Jason (No doubt).

Weapons - Carl > Jason (Slightly).

Weapons handling - Carl = Jason.

Strategy making - IDK.

Intelligence - Carl > Jason.

H2H combat - Jason > Carl.

Nah it should go

Skills - Jason > Carl (Slightly).

Physicals - Carl = Jason (No doubt). Depends on how you describe it. Carl can be physically biggest yes, but conditioning wise Jason takes it.

Weapons - Carl > Jason

Weapons handling - Carl = Jason.

Strategy making - Jason for sure. Taking on Deathstroke takes some strategy.

Intelligence - Jason > Carl. Jason was taught by the Batman. He's a very smart guy. CJ is a busta! a straight busta!

H2H combat - Jason > Carl.

I mentioned Carl at his Prime which means in peak human Strength (As in Game) , Jason is not close to that.

Taking on Slade Wilson is good , but Carl infiltrated places like Area-51 and highly secure police station , even Casino's which were guarded by the underworld gangs , Carl is a better strategist no doubt.

And moreover Jason can't kill Carl with One or Two bullet shots and add on he has body armour on.

@connordorian

AI is incredibly dumb in that game. All the other 3d era protags should manage that. CJ's got the strength, but Jason strikes a more power for sure.

Anyways the only way for CJ to win is if Jason puts himself in the open, and that's just highly unlikely. Jason could sneak attack and cut CJ to shreds.

@usha: But if Carl detects Jason from sneaking , the chances of Jason wining is reduced.

Very unlikely. Carl shouldn't be able to detect him. Not even Deathstroke or Batman detected him.

does gameplay mechanics apply in this fight? if not Red hood wins 1000/1000.

Red Hood.