@killmonger101:So you’re telling me, that Jiren, this same Jiren who was stated by Crunchyroll and VRV translators to be showing a hint of his true power finallyI like how you're basing a quote from a...

@LeonardoTMNT:I'd say full powered Jiren>Mui Goku.Jiren had the slight advantage in power until Goku ragedJiren did have the initial edge, sure. But even before Goku got enraged, Goku's power and s...

@LeonardoTMNT: I just put forth my case to why even in power, Hit is at least stronger than SSB. I highly doubt Golden Frieza's telekinesis can hold Jiren for nearly as long as Hit's Time Cage can.Wha...

@LeonardoTMNT: I disagree. If we are talking about just pure power, he should be in Tier 2 given his ability to freeze Jiren in the Time Cage for a good amount of time. His hax, adaptation and resourc...

@scotchbear: Jiren was stated to be stronger than anyone else before he even went full power.Source?

@killmonger101: You clearly weren't paying attention to my post, then.There is no evidence that Jiren was suppressed in his first fight with Goku. The fact that Jiren was dominating Goku in their firs...

@killmonger101: Well let's see, you have not convinced anyone to your side so far with your arguments. Most if not all people here side with Toppo, and I have yet to see anyone be convinced from one s...

@scotchbear:dude Toppo casually one banged Golden Frieza.Or is it Frieza casually allowed the ball to hit him? If anything, Frieza's arrogance was what got himself injured.If black was “leagues” above...

@standardized:Dude, how is landing one punch and dodging a few contending? And this is also a MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED JIREN."For all we know Jiren is slightly better" How is Jiren slightly better than hi...

@gaoron:Toppo blitzes him like he did to Golden FriezaToppo didn't blitz Golden Frieza, lol.

@standardized: Yea but there is no proof that they grew substantially. There's no evidence that they grew stronger at all.Tanking Hakai only requires having power, that is not a big deal. If Black can...

@killmonger101:Not the Black arc SSB fighters individually. I mean TOP post Zenkai Vegeta and Goku working together who could somewhat injure Jiren and arguably did better than the first UIO transform...

@standardized: Because Golden Frieza is only somewhat above Blue level? Black is leagues and bounds beyond that. At his peak he can easily defeat 2 SSBs without throwing a single punch.

@standardized:He's not capable of contending though. Jiren simply outclasses him in everything.Him blocking and evading Jiren's assault is the literal evidence to prove that he can contend. What more ...

@standardized:Hit only managed to tag Jiren once their entire fight. So yeah he got destroyed.Whether one got 'destroyed' or not depends on how long he lasted in a fight, not how many hits he got in. ...

@killmonger101:You have ignored constantly any example of the super Saiyan blues being superior to black and dismissed it as PISYeah except you have provided none.Black is factually stated and clearly...

@scotchbear@standardized @blackwizzard17: I will gladly CaV any of you on this.It's 3 pages and I haven't seen a good argument for Toppo yet. This thread so far has been nothing but bandwagoning and a...

@standardized:Hit got absolutely destroyed by jirenEvading Jiren's assault with Time Skip and blocking the majority of his attacks does not constitute getting 'destroyed'.In fact, Hit landed a point b...

Nah, Toppo dosen't humiliate him, he dosen't win this for a majority anymore.Black wins 8/10 due to superior exoteric abilities, superior durability, and comparable power. Because Black and Toppo are ...

@standardized: Hit is high because at least if he can kill, he can turn a supposedly even fight to a one shot in his favour. His performance against Jiren as impressive as it is considering the circum...