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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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@discipulus:
It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@kilius:
Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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@discipulus:
It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@kilius:
Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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@discipulus:
It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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Mind explaining how?
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@kilius:
Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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@discipulus:
It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@kilius:
Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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for reffrence here is Sarro's feats
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@kilius:
Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@kilius said:
@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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@discipulus:
It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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Savage sweeps. This is not fair
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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round 1. no BM
round 2. Sarro gets Worror's BM
for reffrence here is Sarro's feats
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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for reffrence here is Sarro's feats
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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for reffrence here is Sarro's feats
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Two of the heaviest double-bladed lightsaber users duke it out
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for reffrence here is Sarro's feats
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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You might as well make Sirak vs Darth Maul next.
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Savage.
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Savage.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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@i_like_swords:
Well if you would I'm genuinely curious as to why you think this is such a mismatch. Savage relies a lot on his strength to bully others. Sarro actually outweighs him by 5 kilos; Savage is 144.9 Kilograms Sarro is 150, so it's going to be contest of pure skill and if you ask me Sarro is more impressive on that front.
Yet despite his mass, he was still quick enough to snatch a zess-fly out of the air.
In contrast, the big man attacked her from creative and unexpected angles, the massive blue blades changing course mid-thrust. Each offensive was a model of lethal efficiency----quick and powerful strikes and counterstrikes that kept an opponent guessing.
The warrior assailing her had elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form.He moved with the fluid grace of a dancer, his monstrous blade singing the deadly song of battle. He executed his moves with a perfect elegance born of obsession. Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.
He came at her again, his blade changing directions so quickly in midstroke that it seemed to bend and curve. Zannah repelled the assault with a furious defensive flurry, breathing hard. Her style was meant to prolong combat, exhausting her opponents as they tried to penetrate her defenses. But each time she clashed with the olive-skinned giant, she was the only one forced to expend desperate, frantic energy. Slowly, he was wearing her down.
He's both insanely strong and insanely skilled with the blade. I'm not saying Savage isn't skilled he is, but Sarro's skill showings are more impressive if you ask me.
BTW Maul does destroy Sirak.
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Savage sweeps. This is not fair
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Savage sweeps. This is not fair
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Mind explaining how?
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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@kilius: Comic Vine ate my post. I don't have enough time to type it again and post all of the quotes/scans. But the shortened version is that this thread, and your observations, are extremely asinine when put up against all available evidence showing how strong, fast, skilled and powerful Savage is. Comparing them on the basis of physical weight is extremely stupid for reasons that are hopefully obvious to anyone who has at least watched the prequel movies. And comparing them on the basis of Sarro's flowery descriptions from novice Zannah's perspective, against Savage's myriad of impressive skill feats, is also extremely asinine and something I would expect from a Jensaarai video. Nothing personal, just a stupid thread.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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The other guy just doesn't have the strength to compete with Dooku throwing Savage.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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Fair enough. I'm actually not completely certain who would win, given Sarro's limited showings. I just thought that two heavyweight double bladed-lightsaber duelists, one considerably more powerful, the other imo considerably more skilled would be an interesting match up. I see Drews writing as accurate to his characters abilities even if there coming from a characters perspective; according to another viner, I forget which, when asked about whether or not the statement of Kas'im being the greatest swordsman of his era was third person or from Banes perspective he responded that it was supposed to be ambiguous, so I would trust Sarro's descriptions of being high caliber martial artist, with an fluid, graceful, and unpredictable fighting style that can wear down and tax a Soresu users defense to the absolute limits to be completely accurate.
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You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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@in-sidiousvader:
You mean Savage throwing Dooku right? Savage is almost twice Dooku's size; Dooku weighs 86 kilos, Savage weighs 144.9 kilos. It's not surprising that when forced to block instead of parry he's going to get knocked to the ground. Sarro did the same to Zannah when she was forced to block instead of redirect. Sarro outweighs him by 5 kilos. Even if Savage has superior augmentation I doubt either is going to strain the other with their strength.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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Zannah is tiny so that feat is unimpressive. Bottom line is I think we can agree Savage has better strength feats.
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lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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@radioactivehaggis said:
lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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lol. Savage shreds through this boi.
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Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
Technically perhaps but Savage leverages his strength as a way to compensate for lack of technical sophistication. Its like TFU Vader vs Dooku, Dooku has a better technique but Vader is so strong it makes up the difference.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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@in-sidiousvader:
Savage does have better strength showings, but Sarro is close enough that his strength won't trouble him. Sarro's saber technique is far more advanced.
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Savage shreds him to pieces.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles. While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank, it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation, and so it's safe to say that whatever his performance against Savage will look like, it'll be less impressive than that one. When it's also taken into account that Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage. His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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It's good to see Sarro Xaj appear on Battles.
Yeah he's pretty badass. I wish we saw more of the Jedi strike team.
While he was probably a better swordsman than most Jedi of Knight rank
I don't think him being a Knight should diminish him. After all he did achieve the rank of Jedi Weapons Master. It takes more than combat ability to be a Jedi Master, hence Anakin still being a Knight despite being better than most Masters.
it should be noted that throughout the fight on Tython his performance was being amplified by Worror Dowmat's Battle Meditation,
True that's why I left a second round with BM to avoid complications.
Zannah's mastery really lies in her sorcery and not her lightsaber use, his upper-hand against Zannah doesn't qualify him to take on Savage.
Overwhelming a Soresu practitioner's defense and tiring her out is still pretty impressive. Especially since her style is meant to outlast aggressive users like him
His strength likely pales in comparison to Savage's, too. Sarro was a big, strong guy, but Savage is like a wampa. His first performance - against Halsey, his Padawan and about half a dozen clones - was driven by his physical strength above anything else. For further evidence just see how he handled Embo.
None of them are close to Sarro in strength. Savage outweighs them by at least half. Sarro and Savage are very close in mass, with Sarro being 5 kilos heavier. Factoring in augmentation there is room for Savage being stronger, but I doubt it's enough to bully Sarro with it like his other victims. Sarro still has shown far greater saber technique in his fight with Zannah.
Sarro could probably put up a good fight against, and maybe even beat, the untrained Savage who was armed with a poleaxe. He isn't beating prime Savage though.
It depends on how big the power gap is. Sarro in my mind is far away the more skilled swordsman and while Savage may very well be stronger, Sarro is still in his range and not reliant on his usual strength advantage to win a in a duel. I'd say unless the power gap is big enough Sarro wins.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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@discipulus: Regarding Sarro being amplified by battle mediation, it's useful to point out that yet again (as it's an unfortunate staple of Karpyshyn's bigger fights) that BM amped Sarro is simultaneously fighting on a powerful Dark Side temple nexus that was amping Bane and Zannah both. So we then get stuck in a paradoxical question of which was having the greater effect, which there is also no concrete answer to. My opinion here is that it's the most reasonable option to call it a wash and to say that the Jedi battle mediation evened out the Dark Side nexus.
Thus it's also reasonable to say that Sarro fighting with the BM in Rule of Two is applicable to all battles. Just as a point of order more or less.
Regarding the thread as a whole, Sarro's shown and implied skill exceeds Savage, but Savage is stronger by feats. Savage is also far more powerful thanks to the Nightsister sorcerery that made him special, which to me is the biggest component here.
Savage wins, as a mere technical skill advantage won't decide this fight.
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