Warhammer - Chaos Chosen Undivided, Grail Knight, Arch Lector and Blood Knight

Warcraft - Death Knight, Dark Ranger, Demon Hunter, and Human Paladin

Rules

• No In fighting


• Win by death


• All lore allowed


• No prep


• Random Encounter


• No BFR


• No outside interference


• Standard gear

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Arch Lector is just happy to be included with everyone else.

@wut: For Empire wise, what would I need to swap the Arch to have him hang with these guys?

@solarwavealpha: No one. The Empire doesn't have anyone that can hang with those guys on a one on one basis as far as unnamed characters go. Even named characters they only have.. one or two.. like Valten and.. Maybe Luthor Huss.

Does the Blood Knight have necromancy? Its kind of a toss-up with them if they do or don't, so figured I'd ask.

@wut: I went with necromancy due to the fact...... there's a pally and demon hunter on team 2. However, should I make him strictly just a fighter?

I see, the Empire disappoints me then.

@solarwavealpha: Gotta remember what the Empire is. The Empire, at its core, is about normal men fighting monsters way better then them with nothing but faith, steel and gunpowder. While some of their people are superhuman, at times, that is nothing out of line with most fantasy human protags. Them having superhuman knights like, say, Grail Knights running around defeats that purpose.

Anyways, imo:

Blood Knight w/mediocre WHF Necromancy > Death Knight in both hand to hand and magic

Paladin > Arch Lector. While the Arch Lector can amp his strength to compete in fisticuffs, the Paladin is just flat out better at magic and support then the Arch Lector from what I've seen.

Grail Knight ??? Demon Hunter... I don't know much about Demon Hunters to really gauge their skills against someone like the Grail Knight. I would need to see what they could do. My gut says the Hunter could probably win abusing magic, but in a melee engagement, the Grail Knight should win.

Chaos Chosen ??? Dark Ranger... Need more info on the Dark Ranger. I'm not sure this is a good comparison though because they are vastly different in function. Not sure which is going to be more effective here.

Anyways, I kinda expect the Arch Lector to go down early. Paladin throw down with either the Grail Knight or Chaos Chosen... But really, this fight comes down to the Blood Knight. Your average Necro in WHF is just way more potent then your Death Knight or WC Necromancer is by comparison. So the amount of time is going to really matter as a normal necromancer can call forth an army. On the whole, I think its pretty close. Need more info on Demon Hunter/Dark Ranger though.

@merulezall Thoughts?

@wut: I think you've basically nailed it per say. The Demon Hunter will prolly abuse his magics giving him maybe an edge of the Grail Knight. I have a feeling in melee, after a long fight the Grail should win. I'd take a Pally over a Chaos Chosen, and for the Blood Knight the Pally should be around his tier in the fact he provides magic of the light, to counter the Blood Knight's own personal necro. Assuming he doesn't just instant spam an army. The Dark Rangers are basically an undead version of a farstrider, without you know the pers of tiring, and being far more durable in the sense you know being undead as they can take multiple hits that would otherwise kill their live counterpart. However, instead of farstriders these are far more rare, as the High/Blood elves pop is super low and the recruits for farstriders has prolly drop dramatically.

I'd take the Dark Ranger over anyone here for range reasons, but in melee prolly fairs about as well as an Arch Lector, a little better of course due to being "super human", but that's about it.

@solarwavealpha: @wut:

What Blood Knight is this. There are.....a few types of them and it makes a difference. For example would this be a first generation Blood Knight trained by Abhorrash himself, or just like a Blood Dragon or something

@wut: Demon Hunters don't really have many lore feats just yet, most come from the player DH. But they were capable of blitzing and oneshotting Night Elven Wardens, who are rather elite. And thats before they got the Artifact

Dark Rangers are Sylvanas' personal pet army of Elven Banshee Rangers. They act as elite scouts and shock troops, as well as the bodyguard of Sylvanas. The only noteworthy solo thing (they normally show up in groups) I remember is that a named one could take down an abomination solo in a super old WoW questline from Wrath, Nathanos Blightcaller is the most notable (and strangely enough only human male wink wink) Dark Ranger but you really shouldn't count his feats as what a standard Dark Ranger can do for numerous reasons

@decaf_wizard: Mm, so just standard Elf archer stuff, overall?

I'm assuming this is a random Blood Knight. Likely from Bret. Solar said he is a necromancer, so I'd assume 'average' to 'lower average' since Blood Knights aren't big on magic but many of them do know necromancy.

@merulezall: Can't kill a Blood Dragon with arrows though. A Vampire's major organs are just accessories, not requirements so.. she.. isn't really able to harm him [And hitting one with an arrow if it doesn't want to be hit would be challenging]. For reference, a Blood Dragon let a Knight of the Realm impale him with his lance, he pulled it out and told the Knight to 'Git Gud' by finding the grail then they'd have a rematch when he was worthy enough to face him.

Well, I mean, technically... if the arrow was made from that one wood [can't recall the name of] and this vampire just so happened to have that weakness [Vampires in WHF don't share weaknesses. Some may be deathly allergic to silver, some won't care. Some will instaburn in the sun. Some will just be minorly annoyed by it] then he could be kill by said arrow, but she doesn't have said arrow.

Yeah.. Average WHF Necromancers are, 'Poof, entire regiment of zombies, ready to go' level. So they can amass armies very quickly. Tis why they are very pesky to deal with. Needs bodies, of course, and Necromancy in WHF goes beyond undead. It has crap like aging people to dust, even elves, instantly and crap. But there is a good chance the Blood Dragon might not even use magic as they tend to be incredibly honorable.

So... With the Dark Ranger/Demon Hunter sorted out...

If Blood Dragon doesn't abuse his magic, which is very possible, Warcraft warriors take it, imo.

If Blood Dragon abuses his necromancy, warhammer warriors take it and the Blood Dragon needs to see a chiropractor for all the carrying he just did.

@wut: Would he carry that hard? I mean he has a Grail Knight with him, surely both will be pushed to the very limit? I guess I should be thanking SWA, it's not a marked Chaos Chosen. I think a Khorne one would be nasty due to all the anti-magic he'd be blessed with ha.

IIRC a dark ranger or a farstrider are armed with magical arrows. I'd have to look it up and re-read some novels to confirm it, but they wouldn't be standard arrows. I also don't care what anyone says, a couple of arrows to the knees will make anyone bend. :)

@merulezall: Yes, if he is actively using his necromancy, he would carry that hard. Grail Knights are extremely potent thanks to their being super human, their auras of 'I don't care if you have a ranged weapon, because frankly, the Lady doesn't give a damn' is super useful [in the Bret series, one rode straight through a hellcannon blast without any damage to him thanks to said blessing] and some other neat stuff, but Necromancy in WHF is mean. Turning someone instantly to dust, draining the life out of them, peeling away their skin, etc, isn't spells they need to 'chant', they amount of time needed is more 'X glares at Y and their flesh peels away' [Which is just Gaze of Nagash]. This makes him bloody difficult to face as he isn't some human necromancer that becomes, 'Endure the magic with resistance! Fight through the hordes of zombies and crush the weak necromancer!' if you make it through all that.. you get to face a Blood Knight.

That said, very likely he won't heavily use magic given he is a Blood Knight.

Not a Vampire. :P Wouldn't feel it and their regen is pretty solid [They also have armor on those knees!]. Depends on the potency of the magic arrow. Just being 'magic' isn't going to make it more effective against a Vampire, would help it against like.. a Ethereal being though.

@wut: Then logically they shouldn't exist? I mean the IoM makes sense due to having some super humans.

@decaf_wizard: What wut had said, just a bret blood knight i guess.

Feelsbad

@decaf_wizard: In that case, yeah, I don't see her being able to put down the Blood Knight or be that large of a threat to him unless she has said super arrow that she wouldn't have. Paladin is still his largest foe. Funny enough, necromancy has blight in WHF as well! :D

@solarwavealpha:Yes, the Empire shouldn't really have any superhumans. Goes against their purpose really. They are pretty much the IG.

Well its not to say she couldn't be a massive nuisance if Bloodboy got stealtagged by multiple blighted arrows. Its not exactly going to feel the best even if it doesn't put him down

@decaf_wizard: Doubt it'd last that long. If I had to guess how it goes.. Arch Lector goes down right when the fight starts to an arrow to the face [or eye, whatever]. The other three Warhammer guys, given their natures, are going to go after the three melee Warcraft guys, probably the Paladin and Death Knight attracting their attention the most since they like to fight 'worthy' opponents and the Demon Hunter doesn't look as 'imposing'.

Given the Blood Knight is the only one that really has 'magic' on their team, the Dark Ranger is likely to fire on him... which is going to piss him off especially as he was a Brett Knight and they don't like archers.. So he isn't going to consider the Dark Ranger a worthy adversary.. So.. she dies via Eye Lasers [Gaze of Nagash or some on of the other quick-to-kill necromancy spells].

I just don't see her having a large impact outside of killing the Arch Lector early. Maybe, just maybe, if she avoids the Blood Knight and helps kill the Chosen.. as she isn't getting through the Grail Knight's anti-ranged aura, that thing can laugh off a hellcannon shot, but... eh.

Well I mean, the Demon Hunter is rather likely to go meta right off the bat, and turn into an eight foot tall flaming demon man what looks like this. They would likely think he is a khornate daemon or something

In reality, they aren't all that different from Daemonhosts or Possessed Chaos Champions or something, and would probably sense very similarly to anybody who could sense magic in WHF. They literally absorb so much daemonic essence that their soul becomes analogous to that of a demon and even cannot be permanently killed outside the twisting nether

@decaf_wizard: But its an elf! Ain't no one respecting an Elf.

These elves tread the path of the swole

@wut said:

Yes! Green is best!

Even Orc women!

Only Troll women are the second best, more and less wow only though.

@merulezall: Always had a thing for Draenei women, tbh. Only thing the Alliance has that is any good [Cause Horde4Life]

@wut: Agreed, but they aren't green, so they arent the BEST.

@merulezall: I don't recognize lesser Orcs, so I wouldn't know. :P The Master Race of Orc only has a single gender, neither male or female, because they have transcended such petty things.

@merulezall: @wut: Wut is correct, Draenai are best thing in the Alliance. The only race I can respect

• Humans: Boring, also many are assholes


• Gnome: Only good for punting


• Dwarves and Dark Iron Dwarves: Annoying


• Void Elves: Void maddened traitors


• Night Elves: Intolerant hippes


• Worgen: Its more their leader I dont like, insane warmonger

@wut said:

Or maybe the master race orc has two genders, because fighting all the time would mean orc extinction! :) You need one gender constantly complaining and the other killing out of pure range due to the other one constantly complaining. You see it ups the game by a large margin!

I never disagreed, I'd bang a draenai over any of the alliance races. Only Night elves would be a close second, but that's again second place. Everyone else sucks. Especially Gnomes and Dwarves oh sweet lord..... That would be horrible.