Team Wolverine on the left and Team Joel on the right but I suppose you all already know.

This should give you an idea where they would be. Joel and Ellie are the ones that start where the Sniper is meanwhile Logan and Laura start off behind the car at the beginning of the video.

Rules:

• They both have knowledge on each other


• Both know where they start ( only where they start so stealth applies )


• K.O or Death


• Perfect Teamwork

Equipment for team Joel

Joel: rifle ( not sniper ), pistol, shotgun.

Ellie: rifle, bow and arrow.

They also get the benefit of regular tranquilizer gun rounds and adamantium shivs

Equipment for team Logan

Both of them have a pistol.

@rogueshadow

your opinion on this?

I can see either team winning. I've written a few different responses as to how I might see it going but I'm not happy with any of them; lots of ways this could play out.

Laura and Logan's senses make stealth useless on Joel and Ellie's part. Their only chance is using the tranqs but as long as the mutants play it smart I don't think they'll help much

Logan and Laura. Joel and Ellie's only chance to take them out is before they get to the house. I think they're fast enough to get there, especially if non-mutants like Joel and Ellie can do it.

If Logan and Laura make it inside the house it's a massacre.

@red_ruby_petal: Does Logan get the green serum? That could be the difference between them winning or losing.

@juiceboks: This is underlooked but Joel and Ellie do have a way against people with good senses through utilizing things like bottles or anything they can throw. Their experience in stealth means they would be the people spotting first and the one who is more prepared for an attack.

@jay_z94: not at all

Laura soloed multiple mercs with assault rifles and honestly can just cut through the houses instead of trying to go straight ahead...I don't see why she doesn't solo

Can't Laura solo?

@ancient_0f_days: Laura isn't powerful enough to do that without the risk of getting shot and I said that is just their starting point. I never said they can't go outside the house to roam around the vicinity.

Ellie and Joel would be no ordinary merc btw considering they have passed trials no ordinary mercenary would do.

If Ellie and Joel shoot anything like those snipers they went up against.....they're not touching Laura before she makes it into a house, once inside any form of close quarters, she and Logan stomp without question and getting shot becomes less of an issue. All she or Logan has to do is go left from the blue car and through that house and just push up using the houses as cover. Ellie and Joel aren't hopping out the sniper window to get the drop on em, they're going down the stairs and out the back since there are no good vantage points when shooting at those houses. They have to move in. The mutants have better senses than the humans and should be more likely to strike first and last. Should Laura and Logan split up with Logan taking the path to the right, he can deal with it being more open and harder to dodge. Laura can cut through the walls of the houses or simply run through cutting through doors and windows. Logan won't have any trouble making his way to them either.... there is plenty of cover. Ellie and Joel are helpless in close quarters.

Pretty sure Laura solos.

@ancient_0f_days:

If Ellie and Joel shoot anything like those snipers they went up against.....they're not touching Laura before she makes it into a house, once inside any form of close quarters, she and Logan stomp without question and getting shot becomes less of an issue. All she or Logan has to do is go left from the blue car and through that house and just push up using the houses as cover. Ellie and Joel aren't hopping out the sniper window to get the drop on em, they're going down the stairs and out the back since there are no good vantage points when shooting at those houses. They have to move in. The mutants have better senses than the humans and should be more likely to strike first and last. Should Laura and Logan split up with Logan taking the path to the right, he can deal with it being more open and harder to dodge. Laura can cut through the walls of the houses or simply run through cutting through doors and windows. Logan won't have any trouble making his way to them either.... there is plenty of cover. Ellie and Joel are helpless in close quarters.

I didn't give them snipers. I gave them rifles which aren't for the range they would be in. I just said it was the starting point then they proceed to roaming around. Logan and Laura have no idea where they would go next and given their experience in stealth they will be getting the first hit. They don't play like snipers they play like assassins so everything you had thought they would do becomes moot specially since neither have a set destination for a win. Better senses than humans true. Does that mean they can sense someone pointing a gun on their head or any part of the body from 15 feet away and a rifle would be deadly enough. A lot sneaking kills/incaps can happen without getting close to the target.

Regardless that just means where they start puts them at an even bigger disadvantage, especially if they start shooting from the window...after Logan and Laura hit the houses, there's no reason for Ellie and Joel to have anything close to a clear shot from 15 feet away without being seen by one of them. Without that line of sight, it doesn't matter how stealthy they are, once they're within 10 feet of either mutant, they're screwed.

@ancient_0f_days:

Regardless that just means where they start puts them at an even bigger disadvantage, especially if they start shooting from the window...after Logan and Laura hit the houses, there's no reason for Ellie and Joel to have anything close to a clear shot from 15 feet away without being seen by one of them. Without that line of sight, it doesn't matter how stealthy they are, once they're within 10 feet of either mutant, they're screwed.

There is no reason for them to camp at the house, specially when in TLOU, Joel and Ellie don't camp in the first place. Also the element of cover and fire apply here and this is where they both excel, the reason they don't get hit under fire throughout the games. Logan and Laura may have the advantage close combat, but Joel and Ellie can still deal with them when they are even 5 feet away with shotguns, being an excellent weapon for knockback and damage.

I have been a big supporter of TLOU characters in the past, usually against people lowballing them, but I have to say I don't see them having much means of winning here.

That said, I don't really remember durability/regen feats for Laura but Logan is definitely susceptible to coming down to gunfire if he takes too much. Hm, this actually may be more fair than I thought at first.

@amendment50: Whatever people take at face value, they take it. Same thing happened with Chris Redfield until @the_hajduk proved them wrong.

@juiceboks: I wouldn’t say stealth is useless, just a lot harder, but Logan has definitely been caught off guard before in all the movies. Old Logan especially will be less sharp and susceptible. As for putting them down, I remember X-24 was put down by shotgun spam to the face. Joel has exceptional feats of resourcefulness and resilience, which is a bad matchup with Wolverine’s personality and fighting style most of the time. The people who beat him usually do it by being smarter.

That's damn straight.

@the_hajduk: damn right. This is why I need you in debates for these characters.

TLOU team takes this. They can take advantage of the mutants’ senses by throwing around bottles, and various items to distract them. They also have the benefit of knowing their abilities, so they’ll take advantage of that as well and utilize stealth only to put them down with the tranq guns.