Differences between Enterprise and Defiant in DSC
During the first season of Star Trek: Discovery, we had a chance to see a schematical view of a Constitution-class vessel USS Defiant, and later "space view" of the USS Enterprise, a starship of the same class.
Is there an in-universe explanation for the differences between the ships? They should both be from the same time, of the same class, and yet the differences are significant. The Defiant looks like it could look like this in the mirror universe, however, in the episode "Despite Yourself", which does take place in the mirror universe, there is this dialogue, which suggests that the Defiant is indeed from "our" universe:
Lorca: Data from rebel intelligence suggests that we're not the first
ship from our universe to find ourselves here. It cites another
Starfleet vessel: USS Defiant.
[...]
Burnham: It's unclear, but data suggests that in the future, Defiant
will encounter a phenomenon that'll bring it into this alternative
universe's past.
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During the first season of Star Trek: Discovery, we had a chance to see a schematical view of a Constitution-class vessel USS Defiant, and later "space view" of the USS Enterprise, a starship of the same class.
Is there an in-universe explanation for the differences between the ships? They should both be from the same time, of the same class, and yet the differences are significant. The Defiant looks like it could look like this in the mirror universe, however, in the episode "Despite Yourself", which does take place in the mirror universe, there is this dialogue, which suggests that the Defiant is indeed from "our" universe:
Lorca: Data from rebel intelligence suggests that we're not the first
ship from our universe to find ourselves here. It cites another
Starfleet vessel: USS Defiant.
[...]
Burnham: It's unclear, but data suggests that in the future, Defiant
will encounter a phenomenon that'll bring it into this alternative
universe's past.
star-trek time-travel star-trek-discovery
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
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asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
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What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
1
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54
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During the first season of Star Trek: Discovery, we had a chance to see a schematical view of a Constitution-class vessel USS Defiant, and later "space view" of the USS Enterprise, a starship of the same class.
Is there an in-universe explanation for the differences between the ships? They should both be from the same time, of the same class, and yet the differences are significant. The Defiant looks like it could look like this in the mirror universe, however, in the episode "Despite Yourself", which does take place in the mirror universe, there is this dialogue, which suggests that the Defiant is indeed from "our" universe:
Lorca: Data from rebel intelligence suggests that we're not the first
ship from our universe to find ourselves here. It cites another
Starfleet vessel: USS Defiant.
[...]
Burnham: It's unclear, but data suggests that in the future, Defiant
will encounter a phenomenon that'll bring it into this alternative
universe's past.
star-trek time-travel star-trek-discovery
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
Paulie_D
15.3k25871
asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
OndrejOndrej
35229
During the first season of Star Trek: Discovery, we had a chance to see a schematical view of a Constitution-class vessel USS Defiant, and later "space view" of the USS Enterprise, a starship of the same class.
Is there an in-universe explanation for the differences between the ships? They should both be from the same time, of the same class, and yet the differences are significant. The Defiant looks like it could look like this in the mirror universe, however, in the episode "Despite Yourself", which does take place in the mirror universe, there is this dialogue, which suggests that the Defiant is indeed from "our" universe:
Lorca: Data from rebel intelligence suggests that we're not the first
ship from our universe to find ourselves here. It cites another
Starfleet vessel: USS Defiant.
[...]
Burnham: It's unclear, but data suggests that in the future, Defiant
will encounter a phenomenon that'll bring it into this alternative
universe's past.
star-trek time-travel star-trek-discovery
star-trek time-travel star-trek-discovery
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
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asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
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35229
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
Paulie_D
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asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
OndrejOndrej
35229
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
Paulie_D
15.3k25871
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
Paulie_D
15.3k25871
edited Nov 14 '18 at 14:50
Paulie_D
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15.3k25871
asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
OndrejOndrej
35229
asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
OndrejOndrej
35229
asked Nov 14 '18 at 14:42
OndrejOndrej
35229
35229
5
What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
1
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54
add a comment |
5
What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
1
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54
5
5
What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
1
1
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54
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Those alterations appear to have happened after it came to the Mirror Universe. When you see it in the Enterprise episode, it looks like a normal Constitution class ship.
The Defiant has been in the Mirror Universe for 80 whatever years. It was bound to have some retro-fits and repairs, which led to it being different than original spec.
Ted Sullivan ( a writer for Star Trek Disovery) via Twitter has confirmed the differences in appearance were from the Terran Empire.
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
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After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
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Those alterations appear to have happened after it came to the Mirror Universe. When you see it in the Enterprise episode, it looks like a normal Constitution class ship.
The Defiant has been in the Mirror Universe for 80 whatever years. It was bound to have some retro-fits and repairs, which led to it being different than original spec.
Ted Sullivan ( a writer for Star Trek Disovery) via Twitter has confirmed the differences in appearance were from the Terran Empire.
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
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After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
add a comment |
Those alterations appear to have happened after it came to the Mirror Universe. When you see it in the Enterprise episode, it looks like a normal Constitution class ship.
The Defiant has been in the Mirror Universe for 80 whatever years. It was bound to have some retro-fits and repairs, which led to it being different than original spec.
Ted Sullivan ( a writer for Star Trek Disovery) via Twitter has confirmed the differences in appearance were from the Terran Empire.
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
add a comment |
Those alterations appear to have happened after it came to the Mirror Universe. When you see it in the Enterprise episode, it looks like a normal Constitution class ship.
The Defiant has been in the Mirror Universe for 80 whatever years. It was bound to have some retro-fits and repairs, which led to it being different than original spec.
Ted Sullivan ( a writer for Star Trek Disovery) via Twitter has confirmed the differences in appearance were from the Terran Empire.
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
Those alterations appear to have happened after it came to the Mirror Universe. When you see it in the Enterprise episode, it looks like a normal Constitution class ship.
The Defiant has been in the Mirror Universe for 80 whatever years. It was bound to have some retro-fits and repairs, which led to it being different than original spec.
Ted Sullivan ( a writer for Star Trek Disovery) via Twitter has confirmed the differences in appearance were from the Terran Empire.
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
edited Nov 14 '18 at 18:20
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
answered Nov 14 '18 at 15:04
Jack B NimbleJack B Nimble
83k44352636
83k44352636
After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
add a comment |
After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
After some thought, I do not think that this is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the same Defiant like the one in The Tholian Web, where it was shifting between our universe and an alternate/mirror universe. So it should look the same, no?
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 18:11
2
2
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
@Ondrej I'm not sure what you are saying. it is the same Defiant, but the Tholian Web sends it ~80 years into the "past" of the Mirror Universe. Just like your quote says.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:13
1
1
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
@Ondrej I added a confirmation from the writer that the changes you see are a result of it being in the Mirror Universe for so many years.
– Jack B Nimble
Nov 14 '18 at 18:22
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
You're right, my bad. Thanks for an excellent explanation!
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 19:01
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What are the significant differences you're referring to?
– Valorum
Nov 14 '18 at 14:44
I think they are talking about the outer rim of the saucer section in the front and the warp pod engine support pylons Valorum.
– dean1957
Nov 14 '18 at 14:51
1
The outer rim, the way the nacelle pylons are shaped, the thing attached to them that looks like some sort of a weapon, the the weird additional thing at the top of secondary hull.
– Ondrej
Nov 14 '18 at 14:54