Post crisis onwards

616

Who wins and why

Any thoughts?

I’m not sure how well Sinestro deals with energy manipulators, especially one like Vulcan. On the other hand I don’t think Vulcan has the speed to keep up with Thaal. I’ll say Sinestro takes it for now due to speed and overall raw power

Sinestro is a pretty decent energy absorber as well, and unlike Vulcan, Thaal knows how to use his brains.

I'd say Sinestro more often than not due to his cunningness and scaling with Hal.

@cognitive: I think Vulcan knows how to use his brains, because he led the whole Shi'ar empire

Sinestro has more raw power but Mongul was able to drain his ring with a device so he's not immune to being drained. Still, Sinestro has adapted to fighting on low power so between his superior damage output, durability, speed and cunning, he should take the majority.

@jiggs1234: He was extremely cocky and did not use his powers accurately (for example the fight with BB, he should've go for that brain-shutting trick at the first place), and for god's sake he was a terrible and reckless tyrant.

You do have point, but i still think that this will be a close fight due to the fact that Vulcan is extremely powerful

Sinestro, but it'd be close.

Sinestro.

Sinestro has much better energy output than Vulcan and overall more raw power to top it of.

What's stopping Vulcan using power suppression/siphoning on Sinestro?

Sinestro.

Vulcan

I think that Vulcan can drain Sinestro and once he does that it's all over

What are Vulcan's draining feats?

@lanternbatman: Without even trying he passively drained Annihilation Adam Warlock(Who is waaaay more powerful then Sinestro) to the point Adam couldn't even teleport, then later in the issue, Adam fodderizes the imperial magician and drains her proving he should have decent resist to draining.

Is there anything stopping Sinestro from one-shotting him with any of his attacks like he usually tries to do given how ruthless he is? Thaal does have the speed edge. And once he sees Vulcan attempting to drain him he'll switch to stealth-tactics and just take out Vulcan by creating a construct inside of his body and murder him.

Sinestro can edge out on speed but if Vulcan gets a chance it’s over for Sinestro.

Vulcan's healing factor that allowed him to recover from Black Bolt's voice and still as a skeleton overpower Black Bolt, Vulcan instantly drains and burns Sinestro to ash.

Vulcan drained Warlock basically instantly once he tried to

So I don't see why he can't do the same thing to Sinestro. As for speed, Vulcan has casual nigh point blank LS reactions(which I can expand upon) and he is a great energy manipulator so he can probably manipulate Sinestro's constructs like he did to Cyclop's energy beams

I don't think Vulcan can beat most heralds, but he's just a perfect opponent for Sinestro

@kevd4wg:

As for speed, Vulcan has casual nigh point blank LS reactions(which I can expand upon)

Sinestro's battle with Hal in Green Lantern: Rebirth already puts him at many times FTL. Light needs 16 minutes to travel the distance between the moon and Saturn, meanwhile Hal and Sinestro reached there in a few panels, considering the minimal amount of actions they did and the amount of panels, it was only a few seconds or a minute, that is a one-two dozen times of lightspeed level feat. And, I;As for manipulating Sinestro's constructs, that's not how it works. I'm talking about creating body-sized constructs inside of him, something Sinestro has done several times before. How he can manipulate something that kills him the instant it's created?

@lanternbatman: As HellionVulcan mentioned, Vulcan has an insane healing factor seeing as how he healed from Black Bolt's yell

First he had a physical encounter with Black Bolt where he tanked Black Bolt's hits and was overall beating him and even after Black Bolt yelled and ripped him to shreds he was back up in a few pages, while a skeleton and overpowered Black Bolt. As for Sinestro's FTL-MFTL feat, it's great, but Lanterns generally don't blitz in combat the way Superman does, so I don't think it's a huge issue.

Anyway, while interior damaging is in character for Sinestro, he doesn't do it all the time. I'm being dead serious when I say this, Synapse frying is more in character for Vulcan then interior attacks for Sinestro(I can expand on this if need be). The fact that Vulcan can drain Sinestro pretty much easily and the only way Sinestro can win relies on interior attacks or blitzing both of which aren't used all the time, doubtfully more then 5/10 times makes me think Vulcan wins.

@kevd4wg: Didn't Vulcan cheapshot Warlock though? I recall Warlock dealing with him easily later.

@shirso: I never said he beat Warlock, he just drained Warlock to the point where he couldn't even teleport and he did it in a direct confrontation. Warlock actually fled their battle as well

@kevd4wg:

First he had a physical encounter with Black Bolt where he tanked Black Bolt's hits and was overall beating him and even after Black Bolt yelled and ripped him to shreds he was back up in a few pages, while a skeleton and overpowered Black Bolt. As for Sinestro's FTL-MFTL feat, it's great, but Lanterns generally don't blitz in combat the way Superman does, so I don't think it's a huge issue.

Vulcan's flesh was fully intact, he was not just a bare skeleton. SO, this doesn't help. I'm talking about creating body-sized constructs inside of Vulcan and ripping him to bits from the inside. Not leaving his flesh or bones intact, entirely different. On Sinestro, he bullrushes/blitzes more often than most Lanterns like against Mongul, Kyle Rayner, Hal Jordan, etc. Either way, speed-blitzing has nothing to do with shooting first to one-shot, something Thaal does pretty often.

Anyway, while interior damaging is in character for Sinestro, he doesn't do it all the time. I'm being dead serious when I say this, Synapse frying is more in character for Vulcan then interior attacks for Sinestro(I can expand on this if need be).

No, that's why he'll do it when he starts getting drained. It took him a few seconds to drain Adam, more than enough to create a construct inside of Vulcan before he finishes. As I'm sure you know, creating constructs isn't based on combat speed or even reactionary times. It is based around thinking speed.

The fact that Vulcan can drain Sinestro pretty much easily and the only way Sinestro can win relies on interior attacks or blitzing both of which aren't used all the time, doubtfully more then 5/10 times makes me think Vulcan wins.

Between one-shotting with energy blasts at the start, internal constructs and blitzing/bullrushing, he has more options to use than Vulcan. He can't manipulate the energy beams as they have faster-than-light feats I can show you.

Vulcan is a character almost tail-made to counter Lanterns.

@lanternbatman:

Vulcan's flesh was fully intact, he was not just a bare skeleton. SO, this doesn't help. I'm talking about creating body-sized constructs inside of Vulcan and ripping him to bits from the inside. Not leaving his flesh or bones intact, entirely different. On Sinestro, he bullrushes/blitzes more often than most Lanterns like against Mongul, Kyle Rayner, Hal Jordan, etc. Either way, speed-blitzing has nothing to do with shooting first to one-shot, something Thaal does pretty often.

And you think normal humans can function like that? he was literally just flesh and bone, yet he was fully capable of overpowering Black Bolt who is pretty damn strong, also he initially looked like this

Missing an eye, pretty much just skeleton with a little bit of flesh. That's insane pain tolerance/healing that he was able to overpower a high tier character like that. I don't think that Sinestro can one-shot with a standard blast considering Black Bolt's yell didn't put him down and Vulcan only needs a second to completely drain Sinestro since that's about how long it took to drain Adam and he's way more powerful then Sinestro. Plus, would Sinestro really start off with FTL one-shot level constructs and interior attacks against someone he's never met before?

No, that's why he'll do it when he starts getting drained. It took him a few seconds to drain Adam, more than enough to create a construct inside of Vulcan before he finishes. As I'm sure you know, creating constructs isn't based on combat speed or even reactionary times. It is based around thinking speed.

Firstly, draining Adam would take longer then draining Vulcan and it really didn't take that long, only 2 panels and since both of the characters are LS-FTL it can be assumed that it happened damn fast. Anyway, Vulcan has the pain tolerance to fight through an interior construct for like the second it takes to drain Sinestro and then the Construct goes away and Vulcan becomes amped and probably fine.

Between one-shotting with energy blasts at the start, internal constructs and blitzing/bullrushing, he has more options to use than Vulcan. He can't manipulate the energy beams as they have faster-than-light feats I can show you.

Being FTL doesn't mean that he can't manipulate them, there are ton of energy constructs that aren't even energy beams and there's no reason he can't manipulate them. Plus Vulcan reacted to an LS attack from just feet away

And he did it after just being weakened. So from a much farther starting distance he should easily be able to react and manipulate the energy blasts.

Anyway Sinestro winning requires one of two things, blitzing and one-shotting(keep in mind how he handled Black Bolt's attacks) or by using interior attacks instantly to which Vulcan can also respond by synapse freezing Sinestro

He mostly did it to telepaths, but there's no reason he wouldn't do it when faced by an interior attack.

Anyway, Vulcan wins every time Sinestro doesn't kill him within the first 3 seconds of the battle. I think it's pretty obvious who takes the majority.