There's been a huge amount of debating with regards to Netflix fighters vs. AOS and how choreography factors in and accolades and yada yada. The most debated thing I've seen though is the fodder that both groups of fighters clear through. For this thread I wanna see how Matt fares when AOS crossover into his world.

Round 1: Matt's surrounded by the same level 5 agents ward fought but it's the bottom floor of where he fought the Dogs of Hell. They're wearing armor that shields (pun intended) them from Matt's senses but they're unarmed. They go to handcuff Matt who with quick thinking judo chops an agent and throws his billy club at a fire alarm. Causing the water to give him his sight back like in the DD vs. Fisk fight with Affleck. How well does he do? If he survives he goes to the top floor and has to fight 7 more agents with no way to turn the sprinklers on.

Round 2: Matt goes up against a centipede soldier. He has to put the night night gun formula into the soldier's mouth like Ward did. The fight takes place where he fought black sky and he's fully geared armor, billy clubs and all. Can he take it?

Round 3: Matt has to take down 2 kree warriors like the kind Daisy fought. The fight takes place where he fought Bakuto and Murkami.

Final round: Daredevil vs. a single Remorath. This time the fight happens in the main ship for the alien ninjas. Who takes this fight?

Also in addition to having standard gear Matt's fully healed in between rounds. So does he show the SHIELD agents what an elite fighter really is or does Melinda May scoff as she watches the Devil of Hell's kitchen get in over his head?

Matt can’t beat the agents without a gun

Round 1: Matt gets stomped, given that these guys actually know how to fight. And Matt really lacks stamina compared to Ward.

Round 2: Matt dies. Lacks the improvisational abilities to figure out how to implement the capsule on the spot.

Round 3: Matt dies. Kree are well above his paygrade.

Final Round: Matt can possibly edge it out, by the skin of his teeth.

Clears.

Ironically, R1 is the hardest, and he gets murdered there.

I'd wager he can do the rest though, with the Kree warriors being the more difficult round.

He can bullet time

Can't tell if joking or...

@kevd4wg: I don't think it's a joke...

In all honesty, high level SHIELD and HYDRA agents like the ones that fight specialists and the Avengers are far more well trained and equipped than any other human fodder (excluding the Dora Milaje ofc, who I'm not sure I'd even call fodder).

The ones that faught Ward were this type of agents, the ones that have firearms, full body protection and are exceptionally skilled for fodder, evident by how they can execute perfect movements in combat and compete with established fighters. Ward couldn't beat this many unarmed, and Matt is well below him physically, and lacks the practical fighting ability, even if he's a highily skilled martial artist, more than likely one of the best in the MCU.

Didn't Ward have a gun in R1? Matt can't do it unarmed

He probably doesn't clear the Kree either but takes other rounds

He could possibly take the remorath. But he is getting stomped the other rounds.

Clears.

1) Loses.

2) Probably wins this one.

I've only just started Season 4 so I won't answer the Kree One, and I really have no clue what a Remorath is.

He loses every round.

I made a Remorath vs Hand thread and it got locked on the grounds of it apparently being a colossal mismatch in favor of the Remorath. May and Daisy clear through Remorath with just as much/more ease than Matt does Hand ninja. Difference is that the Hand are treated as this elite death squad and pinnacle challenge of Matt's abilities, whereas the Remorath were fodder of the week during the last quarter half of S5 and their leader (the strongest one) was dismissed as "just the villain of the month" by Coulson.

Just gonna leave that there.

This one is the most confusing round IMO. So do the 7 agents on the top floor also have senses blocking armor? Are the all of the agents armed?

I think he could take the agents on the bottom floor but again whether or not he could sense the other agents is the key to whether or not he could clear.

Yes. I'd wager that Matt is faster by a good margin and has durability showings that allow him to take potential hits/throws.

Still behind on AoS so I can't answer the last two rounds.

1. If the abuse their weapons they win. If they engage in H2H/melee Matt schools them.

2. Matt. He's way faster, more skilled and will be able to put it in their mouth.

3. Matt fairly decisively. He can eventually put them down.

4. Matt stomps.

Round 1: He loses. Matt is not going to be capable of taking that many well trained fighters-- who if it weren't for the luck of the knife-- would have finished Ward in a stomp (Literally).

Round 2: Assuming that he knows that he has to do that, I'd say he does it with major issues and leaves in very rough shape.

Round 3: Depends on how he handles the fight, if he plays smart he could maybe win. If however he fights like he did Fisk or something, he gets the living crap beat out of him.

Bonus: I'm just gonna say 50/50 due to the fact that I cannot decide, every time I think I've decided I think of something else and become unsure again.

@dstreet45: Yes. They're all the same as the first wave Matt fights but this time there's no way to make them visible so he has to fight them the same way he did against the Hand ninjas when they stopped using weapons and were holding their breath.

So he could still track them by hearing their breathing? He still clears that round if that's the case.

@dstreet45: Yes he can track their breathing. I wanted to try and mix it up a little to see if Matt could use the same tactics against the agents as he did hand ninjas.