The Red Dog

The Flame God

Rules & Stipulations

• For the sake of fairness, speed will be equalized.


• Kouen cannot use his Extreme Magic.


• He will also be restricted to the use of Astaroth.


• Both have basic knowledge on each other.


• Both are bloodlusted & intent on killing their opponent.


• Standard gear for both characters.


• The battle will take place at Marineford.


• Victory by death only.

Who Wins? Why?

I want to say Kouen, although I need to remember his feats. I haven't debated magi in forever

I'm actually leaning with Kouen even though I've only watched the anime.

What's Kouen's stats and abilities?

Here's a respect thread for him.

The anime and the manga are identical when it comes to Kouen, so you wouldn't be missing anything (he didn't get any new feats for the rest of the series past that point anyway).

@kingguinness: I linked a respect thread in the above post.

@kingguinness: Probably not that accurate but there you go

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Kouen_Ren

I would never look at vsbattles, actual respect threads have actual feats and high-feats to give you an idea of their power and durability while vsbattles cherry picks the top feats and does a lot of ridiculous scaling

OT: Still can't decide. Maybe if someone takes a side and starts posting feats for one of them I'll play devil's advocate though

@pmcinelly784: I don't really think Kouen's profile is really that bad on that site besides the speed part which I completely disagree on.

Well, based on the respect thread I'd probably go with Kouen. He seems to have way more versatility than Akainu and based on his shared feat with Alibaba, probably more DC as well.

In case you didn't know, I restricted him to the use of Astaroth in the OP.

Oh, i see. Well i don't really understand the Magi power scheme and most of Kouen's feats seem to revolve around his Djinn's, which i really don't understand fully.

He has the ability to summon volcanoes which would be counter productive against Akainu for obvious reasons and his durability feats seem to be scaling based, so i don't have a clue how durable he is. Care to enlighten me?

Basically, a Djinn is a deity who bestows power upon those with the conviction to be king. In short, they're simply conduits for super powers.

He can summon volcanoes among other things with Agares, which is restricted for this fight. He does have Astaroth, though, which allows him to project and absorb fire, as well as fly.

As for his durability, we see him tank his own attacks (which can easily destroy large mountains) without much damage to himself, so I'd say he's durable enough to fight Akainu.

Akainu nukes entire Marineford with magma fists or gets bfred at ocean

He would have no reason to do something so stupid, especially against an opponent who could just escape via flight.

@socajunkie: Perhaps you have an opinion on this? I apologize If I've been tagging you in a lot of these lately, but you're one of the only knowledgeable One Piece debaters on the site these days. If you need feats, I linked his respect thread in an earlier post.

@valorknight: Thanks and I really don’t mind, for future variety, MrIngenuity plagues my existence for being an OP rival in knowledge and Guinness knows his stuff but he’s already here, EnemyBird is also pretty good and I’d tag Shirso and GS too.

After skimming that RT I think I’d go with Kouen, very impressive versatility however with the nerfs present I’m not sure what that will effect and it would take a while to figure out by reading the RT again because I don’t know Magi.

@socajunkie:

Thanks and I really don’t mind, for future variety, MrIngenuity plagues my existence for being an OP rival in knowledge and Guinness knows his stuff but he’s already here.

Awesome, I'll keep that in mind.

with the nerfs present I’m not sure what that will effect and it would take a while to figure out by reading the RT again because I don’t know Magi.

I essentially made it to where he could only use his flame abilities (so no healing with Phenex or raising volcanoes to recharge his power supply with Agares). If you need a reference, that means that only the feats under the "Astaroth" section are applicable here.

@valorknight: Yeah I’d say he still takes it, Akainu has an elementary advantage over fire but Kouen’s fire DC goes well above what Ace showed and I can’t give Akainu a NLF. The part I read about killing an Angel and how it relates to Morgiana/destroying an island sold it for me as well as Alibaba’s shared feat, Akainu’s most impressive stat is his durability which would let him take multiple island level attacks before dropping but that Alibaba’s shares DC is too much.

Cool, thanks for the analysis. I don't really agree with the interpretation of their shared feat, as it goes against their pre-established power levels and completely throws scaling out the window. I personally wouldn't use it as a gauge for his overall power.