Who wins?

Current Molecule Man

Vertigo Lucifer

@soratoumiga We have like, 10-20 other threads on the Vine, just like this one. What gives?

Franklin doesn't belong here.

pre-Retcon Molecule Man's power levels were hard to gauge because there's self contradictory shit in Secret Wars and the fact that most Marvel fans like to fucking scale Pre-Retcon Beyonder to post-SW feats of LT, Eternity and etc. then scale that Molecule Man to Beyonder, for some reason. Post-Retcon Molecule Man has less controversal feats.

One scan, Beyonder tanks Owen's multi-Dimensional attack, then the other, Beyonder and Molecule Man were shown on near equal power, renneged later by a statement from Owen of Beyonder making Reece look human, when Owen was mentally weak.

I'm not going to even bother about LT.

Lucifer is hard to gauge because every damn writer in DC retcons how big the size the Source Wall Cosmology is. And Lucifer's power feats are extremely subject to controversy and interpretation. And because DC doesn't have a properly defined TOAA figure and DC has like ten billion contradictory Creation Stories for DC's Creation Origins.

There's a Krona/The Hand origin story, Father Time and Mother Night origin story, then a Monitors origin story. The same fucking character in DC can say different origin stories for DC. In DKM, Dream said the Forge and whatever created the Multiverse, but in Overture, it was Time and Night. There's the issue that the Presence is viewed totally differently by GM, Jim De Matteis, Paul Jenkins, Mike Carey and etc. and etc. between Phantom Stranger and Spectre scans contradicting shit against Sandman despite the two crossing over at one point.

Really? I didn't notice them. I mean, I saw similar, but not like this one.

Current Living Tribunal?

@batvibe12: Yeah, current.

@soratoumiga: Thanks. Team 1.

MM or Lucifer solos.