This is Arcann as of the latest chapter of Knights of the Fallen Empire taking on Darth Malak and Darth Revan during their time as Sith Lords, before Knights of the Old Republic.

Standard gear and weaponry, all abilities allowed, all are fighting all out, and the fight is to the death. The battle takes place on Korriban and they start 15 yards apart.

Who wins and why?

Team wins. Arcann isn't this good

Going have to give the Majority to Arcann here, but i could be swayed in the teams favor. I just see Arcann as far more powerful then either of them by themselves, and slightly above when they are together. Not to downplay the pair. If this was Reborn Revan this would be a different story all together.

Revan solos.

Darth Revan alone should be able to give Arcann a great fight and scrap some victories (and potentially win a majority). Adding in Darth Malak gives this a definite victory for the team.

Arcann took the combined force might of a weakened Valkorion and the outlander and survived. A weakened Valkorion would go on to stomp the outlander.

So they aren't beating him.

Darth Revan comes close to soloing. Adding Malak seals the deal.

@darthant66 You think Darth Revan is stronger than HoT? Redeemed I could see an argument for, but Darth Revan...ehhh. Not so sure

I think so. Darth Revan's power was stated as being greater than Darth Nihilus' by Meetra Surik - a view constantly reinforced by Kreia and Darth Sion's comments in KotOR II. Chris Avellone, lead writer of KotOR II, stated that Darth Revan would be capable of defeating Kreia and the Jedi Exile at the same time, which also strikes me as beyond the Hero of Tython's capabilities. Factor in Darth Revan's feats of telepathically dominating entire fleets with the aid of Malachor V, conquering armies of Echani and Mandalorians in battle, destroying Rakatan patrols including rancors with his Sith powers, having a vastly greater respiratory of knowledge to draw from, etc., and I'd side with him. Plus, Revan's the ultimate master at battle precognotion and Echani-based fighting styles, which the Hero of Tython has never really confronted before. He should be able to predict the Hero of Tython's movements before they happen, and based on his psychosocial warfare against the Jedi throughout the Mandalorian Wars, should know techniques to hinder the Hero of Tython's capabilities as a Force-user (reference to conversations with HK-47 and Atton Rand in KotOR II on how they learned how to blind Jedi from the Force using techniques Revan taught them).

Yeah team wins

Team

@darthant66: How do you think battle pre-cog stacks up to aing-tii fighting sight? Hypothetically if there was a strict duel between Caedus and Revan would their amped pre-cogs just about cancel each others out?

@darthant66: So this would mean peak Darth Malak is actually extremely powerful given that he is stated to have surpassed his former master in power (as of his peak as Darth Revan) and was always considered the better duelist. Correct?

Which would logically mean that if Darth Revan could scrap some victories against Arcann, then maybe Malak could even split with him? Or if not, at the very least take 3-4/10?

I'm no longer convinced Darth Malak ever surpassed Darth Revan. It seems more likely that he was always inferior (if only slightly) - and then with the Star Forge amp his rough equal.

@darthant66: But Master Vandar explicitly states on Dantooine that Malak has surpassed Revan. Since reading that a few times as I've played the game, I came to the general consensus that Darth Revan<Darth Malak<KOTOR Revan

Master Vandar says Darth Malak embraced the dark side as fully as Darth Revan ever has and will eventually becoming Revan's superior - not that he already is.

"When Revan fell we had hoped the Sith threat was ended. But Malak quickly assumed Revan's role, and has embraced the dark side power as fully as his old master ever did. Now Malak leads the Sith armada against the Republic. Hate and vengeance for his master's death draw Malak ever further down the path of the dark side, fueling his powers until they surpass those of his old master."

―Vandar Tokare (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

This is consistent with quotes on Lehon. The Rakata warn Revan must stop Darth Malak soon before the Star Forge provides him with powers so great that even he can't stop him.

It was effectively a battle against time, similar to the Jedi Exile's fight against Darth Nihilus. However, I'm not convinced Darth Malak ever fully reached the full potential that the Star Forge could give him.

Based on dialogue from Darth Malak on the Star Forge, including his final words, it seems clear that it was never Darth Malak's destiny to rule the Sith, making me believe it was Darth Revan's.

I think it's probable that Darth Revan was Darth Malak's superior until the very end of KotOR, in which the Star Forge provided Darth Malak a boost that put him around the same level as Darth Revan.

@darthant66 You have a point with the battle Pre-cog. Which is one of Revan's most valuable tools no doubt. I read back over your Respect thread the "Darth Revan" parts anyways. I had some things confused as far as Darth Revan and Redeemed Revan. I thought him learning everything he could from Traya and the other masters was Kotor. If it was before he was Darth then I indeed could say the team takes majority, but i still don't see it as a high majority or without a good degree of difficulty

Malak stabs Revan in the back before being beaten by Arcann. :P

@darthant66: Out of curiosity, how much stock do you put in Drew's statement that Malak was the superior duelist?

Honestly, none. Revan is consistently portrayed as the superior duelist across all other works.

@darthant66: Well I don't see why we can't view it as Malak simply being more technically skilled while Revan is more powerful and thus has superior force reserves ( endurance ), precog and augmentation.

I think Revan has a decent shot at soloing. Team definitely wins.

@nfactor1995: Revan's force potential was above than many force user, including Malak, Kreia and Nihilus according to Meetra.

Revan is something as the heart of the force according to Kreia.

"I am always stronger than you." Revan said to Malak.

"The Master is always stronger than The Apprentice." Malak said to Revan.

So, Revan > Malak

Also, KOTOR Revan isn't far above than Darth Revan according to me.

Team, comfortably.

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Team.

Isn't Arcann Vader tier :P

he be de air tu Vakoluion an diat make he poweyfu

From what I've understood so far Arcann is around Windu/Anakin level. That might be enough to take one of them down, but not both of them.

Arcann was topped only by Valkorion. He managed to take down some top (even though relatively featless) force sensitives of his time and was supposedly better than Outlander.

Darth Revan and Malak were (if we are talking about their Sith life-time) competent warriors who were best combatants in the Republic Era during the Jedi Civil War. Revan took down in single combat several renowned fighters in the Republic and Malak was basically his equal/better (of course we are talking about Revan's pre KOTOR form).

LMAO.

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Revan and Malak overthrow him. Even, Revan doesn't need Malak.

I think that with sith revan and malak (so this is pre-kotor, whithout any amp for both of them) Arcann can take this.

Actually, Arcann could win a minority.