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Rules:
- Vigilante has to perfectly mimic the feats portrayed in the gauntlet
- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@rbt said:
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg:
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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@rbt:
As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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@kevd4wg:
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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@rbt:
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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@kevd4wg:
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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@rbt:
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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@kevd4wg:
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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@kevd4wg:
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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@kevd4wg:
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
- Vigilante has to perfectly mimic the feats portrayed in the gauntlet
- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
Clears 2-5. The scan in 6 is not loading for me for some reason.
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
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I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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@rbt:
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
- Vigilante has to perfectly mimic the feats portrayed in the gauntlet
- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
where does he stop?
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg:
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@rbt:
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
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Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
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I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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@rbt:
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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@kevd4wg:
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
- Vigilante has to perfectly mimic the feats portrayed in the gauntlet
- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
where does he stop?
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@rbt said:
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@rbt:
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
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John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
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I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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@rbt:
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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@kevd4wg:
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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@kevd4wg:
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
- Vigilante has to perfectly mimic the feats portrayed in the gauntlet
- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
where does he stop?
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@rbt said:
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg:
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@rbt:
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
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Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
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John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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@rbt:
As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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@rbt:
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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@kevd4wg:
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
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- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
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R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@rbt said:
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg:
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@rbt:
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
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Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
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John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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@rbt:
As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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@kevd4wg:
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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@rbt:
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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@kevd4wg:
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
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R1: John Wick's Headshots
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg:
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
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Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
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John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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@rbt:
As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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Rules:
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R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
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- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
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R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
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- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
where does he stop?
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- He is armed as seen in the gif above
- Do not complain about order if you believe the gauttlet is out of order state which rounds he can clear
R1: John Wick's Headshots
R2: Grant Ward
R3: Grant Ward Again
R4: John Wick once more
R5: Hawkeye's USB Shot
(he's doing it with a gun he just has to his the USB slots)
R6: Taskmaster
where does he stop?
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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Lmao he stops at 1
These all require marksmanship skill that Vigilante lacks
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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1 is actually the hardest to pull off..
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
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@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Wait, so if he can abuse his bullet timing speed to shoot an incredibly small projectile moving through the air at 300fps, what's stopping him from headshotting a person standing 50 ft away?
@kevd4wg said:
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
Stops at 1, Vigilante didn't exactly have great accuracy, he missed people a ton, like standing still targets. IIRC his best accuracy feat was shooting an arrow as it flew in a straight line toward him which shouldn't be hard since he's a bullet timer. If an elite soldier had his speed I'm pretty sure they could replicate the vast majority of his showings
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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For one, it was multiple targets not moving in linear lines with a handgun, all head shots. Other then the fact Vigilante hasn't shown any skill with a handgun IIRC, that's completely different then shooting a linear arrow. It would honestly be an anti feat for him if he couldn't shoot the arrow.
Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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@kevd4wg: Worth noting that Ward disarmed the second guy with a shot to the hand because he needed people alive to interrogate later. He did it while people returned fire. That's great precision and quickness.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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Well, 1 is doubtful considering how quick Wick pulled it off. I am mostly talking about other rounds.
Sure, I do agree 1 is one of the harder rounds, but sure lets's look at the other rounds.
Round 2
Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
Round 3
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
Round 4
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
Round 5
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Round 6
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
This one is basically impossible for this one.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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As for the rest
Vig tagged Rene, Dig and would have tagged Chase while he was moving had it not been for cover. His very first showing is him tagging multiple people and killing them before anyone realized what was going on.
Tagging Rene isn't particularly impressive, he's like an ok aim dodger. Dig is somewhat more impressive, but any decent marksman should be able to tag an above average aim dodger. Like Oliver was easily dodging his assault rifle rounds, without cover, while Vigilante had the drop on him. Almost tagging someone isn't a feat, it's an anti feat. It literally proves his upper limits and shows he lacks precision as for the last one well that was Vigilante doing what he always does, spraying bullets. That's not a showing of precision, it's a showing of being able to shoot an assault rifle. I guess that's really impressive? Honestly, most trained soldiers should be able to match or exceed his showings, they aren't very impressive.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
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Here, he has to shoot multiple people precisely, with an assault rifle(not known for being super precise) before they can fire back. I think it's possible he can replicate this one, it's not super good, but Vigilante was very inconsistent with his aim. Just look at the gif in the OP, sometimes it was down right bad and I don't think he can pull off something so precise, with a handgun, using only 3 bullets, before either person can shoot. Hell he even hit the second person in his gun, look at how the gun goes flying out and he's holding his wrist.
That's fair.
Ward lands the bullet directly between her eyebrows. Ward also did this from a massive distance, we know for sure he wasn't in the wide shot and Bobbi didn't see him even after looking for several seconds. Considering Ward landed the shot between her eyebrows he must've been basically in front of her so he would've had to be really far away to not have Bobbi see him. Especially since he was just standing there, not hiding and Bobbi is trained to scout a field. Vigilante could probably tag her with an assault rifle, but Ward did it with one shot between the eyes a huge distance, I don't see Vigilante replicating that even with his best feats.
I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
John Wick shoots a guy while running with one shot, holds onto him, jumps, lands a shot on another guy mid air while tourney, goes back to do a flip and shoots the other guy when he lands before he can get back up. Vigilante probably has the accuracy to do this one, but he can't do it while performing the agility of it, especially while carrying a bulky ass Assault rifle
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
Here Clint uses a small opening in the wall, to where SHIELD Agents can't see him and hit a precise spot within an inch high cubby. Not only that, but he hits an outlet precise enough for it to go in and two things to come out of the side and go into outlets. To go into outlets like that it means that he aimed his shot to be within like 1/8 of an inch in every direction while hiding in a small opening and in a chaotic room with tons of noise, sound, and flashing lights/explosions. Which are all very distracting. He also did it with 1 shot. When Vigilante had an assault rifle, he basically never went for precise shots he just sprayed with an assault rifle missing a bunch of people who aren't bullet timers, even when he had the drop on them.
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
Vigilante straight up isn't doing this one. He doesn't have the agility to perform the leap and he can't accurately aim like that while an inch off the floor on his back in the air with two guns, not looking while shooting and landing in the exact same spot on two trained cops.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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I don't see why Vig would have any trouble at all landing this shot. Headshotting someone from that range when the target is standing still is not a very hard thing to do, even by real-life standards.
Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
He doesn't have to replicate it frame by frame. As long as he uses the first guy as cover and shoots the other one, it should be enough
If that's all he has to do, he can do it, but that's more up to the OP @_kingoflatveria
Again, this kind of shot is right up Vig's purview. He has all the time to wait and aim. An arrow is a smaller target than a USB port. And unlike an arrow, the USB port will not be moving forward and down.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
The scan is not loading for me. None of the CV images are for some reason. I'll take your word for it.
I kinda figured you weren't talking about this one, I doubt there's any LA character that can replicate it
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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Either you have a very inflated view of how good real life shooters are or you're underestimating how good this feat is. Bobbi didn't see Ward even after looking for a few seconds. This means he was either crazy far away or far to the side, either is super impressive since he landed his shot to the dead center of Bobbi's forehead in between her eyebrows. Vigilante really didn't show much precision throughout his appearances, he showed speed, durability, and the ability to spew assault rifle bullets.
I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
At this point, it has as much to do with Assault Rifles not being able to land a precise shot. Shooting the arrow doesn't really work the same because he just had to hit the arrow and once again he just spewed bullets to do it(IIRC), now he has to have less wiggle room and with one bullet land with < 1/8 of an inch accuracy.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
Plus he could hit the arrow from 1 foot away, but he couldn't hit Oliver, a way bigger target, from way farther with way more bullets.
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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I think you're overblowing how impressive this feat is. Bobbi was just looking in general area about where she had landed. We don't really see how far away Ward was when he took the shot either.
Just throwing it out there, Bobbi is one of the most well trained agents in the world. I think after landing in a possibly hostile area, she wasn't just looking at the pretty fields. Plus at the very least, Ward was not in the wide shot around the plane.
No. He shot a single bullet that hit the arrow. He then opened fire and Rory blocked all of it.
My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
What? That's an aim dodging feat for Oliver. That guy can make people shoot each other by sidestepping at last possible moment. Takes nothing away fro Vig.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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My bad, still don't think it's as good as Clint's feat. I'm sure you know that after a certain point, Assault rifles simply aren't accurate to the point of Clint's shot
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
Of course it does. Aim dodging is quite simple, it's outdoing a shooters aim. Aim dodging inherently proves that Vince is not a good enough shot to hit an unprotected Oliver, when he has the drop on him, with a spray of bullets. Sure he can hit less good ones like Diggle and Rene, but when faced with an actually good one, he can't land a hit with a ton of bullets.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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@rbt:
Its impossible to shoot an arrow out of the air with a SMG in real life and yet Vig did it. Real life limitations usually don't apply to fiction.
True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
Again, that's a feat for Oliver. He is just fast enough to outdo Vig's aim. That's like saying Deadshot is a bad shot because Batman can evade his bullets.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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True, but even in Arrow that limitation stands, just look at OP, the bullets scatter and don't land in the same spot. And that's from a much shorter distance then how Hawkeye had to shoot and with less distractions and without hiding.
He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
It's both. It's an above average feat for Oliver by him dodging an above average gunmen and it's an anti-feat for Vigilante as it shows he can't hit a high end aim dodger with a sprey of bullets.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
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He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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He doesn't have to spray and pray. He has to make one precise shot which he is more than capable of.
Yeah, but even one bullet can't be that precise with an uzi(Which he seems to be using). Honestly I can't remember him making any long distance shots with that gun with any real amount of precision. I think he could do it if he wasn't shooting from such a bad position in a room with screaming, explosions, and flashing lights on a target so small and so precise.
I don't see why. Oliver has dodged bullets from other marksmen like Deadshot. Its not a low showing for Vig at all.
The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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The dude literally couldn't tag Oliver flipping over a car. That's something a real life soldier could do, just like the OP it's an example of Vig having really bad aim.
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
@blackpantherisb said:
He clears 2-5, but 1 and 6 are out of his pay grade.
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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@rbt:
And Deadshot couldn't shoot Batman because he jumped in the air... That's also something a random cop can do. Its not hard to invalidate a feat if you're looking to just do that.
yeah that's my bad, that was lowballing. Still I would say that Oliver is an impressive aim dodger, but with so many shots at such an advantage if Vigilante was as good as you're claiming, he should've been able to tag Oliver. Vigilante was super inconsistent with his aim. For every time he shot an arrow out of the air there's 2 or 3 of him spreying bullets and not hitting anything
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