Context and background

The These two Empires are in Azeroth near the dark portal, they are replacing any and all human settlers along with any pests that aren't creatures aka wild boars, bears, cats, etc. However they both have their natural animals that they can tame and so on. On the other side of the portal the Elves and Dwarfs have their mighty kingdoms put into one section in Lustria. The portal for their forces to transfer into the WoW universe is the Fallen Gates to of which is open for them as a portal onto the other side. Same as the Elves and Trolls, only animals they got are their own animals and so on to train and use.

The leaders for all four factions are replaced with the most reasonable of leaders and then followed by sub leaders who swear loyalty to their leader, but maybe not their allies. This doesn't mean they will undermine though or back stab but tensions can rise.

Troll Leadership

Supreme Commander - Rastakhan

Sub Commanders

• Zul'jin


• Vol'jin and Sen'jin


• Jammal'an the Prophet


• Bloodlord Mandokir

Kaldorei Leadership

Supreme Commander - Ysera

Sub Commanders

• Tyrande Whisperwind


• Archdruid Malfurion Stormrage


• Cenarius


• Kur'talos Ravencrest


• Illidan Stormrage


• Ursoc and Ursol

Elven Leadership

Supreme Commander - Aenarion the Defender

Sub Commanders

• Caledor Dragontamer


• Tyrion


• Teclis


• Malekith

Dawi Leadership

Supreme Commander - Lord Grimnir

Sub Commanders

• Gotrek Starbreaker


• Ungrim Ironfist


• Belegar Ironhammer


• Thorgrim Grudgebearer

Everyone is ready and prepared for war, so no need to form up time and rally people everyone's ready.

Environment

WoW's map

Warhammer's Map

Fighting is between the two.

Rules

• No In fighting


• No BFR


• Win by destroying the otherside


• Both are bloodlusted


• Standard gear for both sides


• Both have their own leadership under them


• No prep


• Random Encounter


• No outside interference

Other Fantasy threads

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/united-horde-vs-united-skaven-clans-1895616/

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/beastmenorcslizardmen-vs-orcsdemonsdaedric-1892696/#js-message-2

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/falmerforsworn-vs-troll-kingdoms-1896654/

People whom might be interested

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@wut: He's the only dwarf that i feel could counter Ysera with proper gear. Maybe I'm wrong?

Don't really know anything about these guys

@wut: trolls stomp grimnir was a puss who lost to a lesser daemon so no worries :D

@jardinain2: I apologize, I feel bad that you get included into threads that you don't know ;/. Thanks for commenting though!

@solarwavealpha: I only really know stuff about Marvel, DC and some manga/anime lol. I occasionally go out of my way for Warhammer, but usually I just enjoy reading your battles and seeing what other people say haha.

@solarwavealpha: He isn't a 'dwarf'. He is a god.. Its like giving the High Elves Khaine as their supreme commander.

For reference, Aenarion doing his epic last standing, fighting off the horde of daemons and the four greater daemons of each god? Pretty impressive.

Grimnir did that every day for thousands of years and did so without a massive dragon or army, just himself. In Slayer, we see remnants of a great daemon host hiding from Grimnir and waiting for him to weaken to the point them, all of them, and Be'lakor have a shot at bringing him down.

He doesn't even 'die'. He gives his power to Gotreks and, essentially, retires giving Gotreks his old job of 'stomping all daemon armies that come out of the portal until the end of time'.

Switch him out with the White Dwarf, Grombrindal AKA Snorri Whitebeard.

@wut: I was actually going to put the white dwarf in his place, but it seemed like he lacked feats. However, lets say I switch him out, how does the war go?

@jardinain2: Well I'm glad you enjoy my threads :)! They take time I can tell you that. They may seem simple but they aint... lol.

@solarwavealpha: He has feats. Used to be a High King, and Malekith's best bro back in the day. Has feats from back then and some in his appearances as the White Dwarf (He appears in.. Grudgebringer, I think it was, slaughtering the rest of the Orc army that overwhelmed the dwarfs/halflings).

No idea, would probably need to ask someone like @paragonnate some questions especially on the Troll Empire. I read the War of the Ancients trilogy, but I hate trolls so never bothered to learn anything about them.

Don't know much about the Trolls, other than the fact that their women are criminally underrated in the looks department and they used to have a massive empire but lost it all. That, and they all want to sell you cigars.

@paragonnate: You know, I have never liked Warcraft trolls.. but yeah, I agree, female trolls are rather fetching.

I mean, they'd put you into a stew pot without a second thought, but yep sadly underrated.

Depending on the Troll and Night elf teamwork and of course the Dwarf and Elf teamwork. I'd give team 1 the W. Trolls make good warriors against someone like the High elves and dwarfs who aren't use to on avg facing a foe who has some pretty nice regen. the magics for both sides would be about even with the NE being the MVP out of the two, but trolls are use to waging long wars, so morale wouldn't necessary sink unless the Elves suddenly became pussies.

@merulezall: Dwarfs are very used to fighting things with Regeneration. During their peak, troll hunting was done for sport.

I think the numbers need to be equalized or drawn out as if they are being used at their 'peaks', the 'peak' dwarfs considered a 50,000 dwarf army as a 'small flanking force'. Was a bit silly.

@paragonnate Ha, there is a sex pun in there, but I am not making it.

@wut: I can't tell you numbers per say for the trolls as they fought the nerubians for thousands upon thousands of years both stalemating each other, so tunnel and networks wouldn't be that bad for them just a little note.

Regen as in every single troll has the ability to regen limbs and such. I understand orcs and gobos have trolls in their universe, but their isn't that many trolls compared to the trolls in WC where it's a large high number species with that kind of regen. There's a reason why their blood drops were made into potions to heal people from heavy damage. Example archers are going to need to do headshots to really put them down.

This is just my thoughts though like I said finished one book now onto another, so I can't really post a ton of feats cause I didn't save any.

@merulezall: Yeah, numbers in WC aren't very high in my experience. Night Elves only had 10k or so in the WoA from what I recall (Me and nate were talking about this like five minutes ago, funny enough). The hunting trolls for sport wasn't about numbers, it was more that the dwarfs of this time period are used to regeneration and do know what it does and to put extra into putting them down. In WHF, you can remove a troll's head and it won't kill the troll, just knock it out of action for awhile. You have to burn them. They are closer to DnD trolls in that regard.

Peak High Elves aren't though. When Snorri takes Malekith troll hunting, its the first time Malekith ever sees or fights a troll and High Elf peak would be right before the War of the Beard.

The big thing for me is just numbers, peak elf/dwarf numbers are dumb (and I mean dumb as in poorly thought out by the writers not dumb as in so good its dumb).

The troops of the 'peak dwarfs'

Fifty thousand booted feet stomped in unerring unison. The enemy resisted at first, but once the dwarfs had overcome the inertia caused by the broken bodies underfoot they were unstoppable. The throng of Karak Izril moved slowly but inexorably.

Nick Kyme. The Great Betrayal (Kindle Locations 167-168). Black Library.

Front line of Karak Izril was ten thousand strong and was only one of eight armies that had come for the dwarfs.

Across the slopes of Karag Vlak, ten thousand dwarfs of Karak Izril obeyed. They were but the first rank. Drums beat, horns blared. Eight more armies marched slowly into the fray.

Nick Kyme. The Great Betrayal (Kindle Locations 77-80). Black Library.

20,000 High Elf noble cavalry were also in that battle.

Glarondril the Silvern spurred his riders to greater effort. Standing up in his stirrups, he let the fire of the angry mountain reflect in his gleaming armour. Without a helmet, his long white hair cascaded down the back of his neck like a mane of frost. His eyes were diamond-hard, his jaw set like marble. The enemy was close; a thick wedge of mailed warriors that seemed to stretch the length of the horizon, clutching blades and shields. Twenty thousand noble lords at his command, armour glittering with the falling sun, lowered their lances.

Nick Kyme. The Great Betrayal (Kindle Locations 108-114). Black Library.

Peak Elf/Dwarf numbers are just so dumb. So dumb.

Let me know what you find though! (Even if its not in this thread, pm me) always love to see some Warcraft numbers as they are so hard to find.

@wut: Understandable, yeah I'll let you know if I can find some hard numbers because granted those are some decent numbers for both factions, but in our own history we've had similar numbers appear before.

Well true, but I don't think the dwarves would be expecting the regen happen let alone on a grand scale is all. I'm sure once this shock factor is out of the way, this won't be a problem. I need to find the book though that the trolls were making enchanted weapons that far out did the elves, but this is after their fall as well.

@merulezall: In our history, they don't tend to be that grand. Its very hard, especially for back then, to keep that many people supplied. For reference, the largest cavalry charge of all time was at Vienna and that was 20,000 cavalry. The Elves had 20,000 nobles riding horses. Which is just.. come on. No thought went into that just picked a big number at whim.

Surprising, yeah, but they would get over it. The High Elves would be the ones most caught off guard by it. Surprised the crap out of Malekith when he first fought a troll. Stabbed it, thought it was going to die, got all uppity and smug and then.. 'Why won't it die!'

In that novel, on magic weapons, the dwarf king had a hammer that let him teleport because reasons. It was pretty much Thor's hammer, he would throw it and call it back, blast people with lightning with it and call down lightning and 'ride' it to teleport around. Lost all its power when he used it to kill a Great Unclean One though. Still, neat hammer.

@wut: I could of sworn Atilla's horde was larger, and this was indeed horses but we also had large amounts of infantry. Did you forget the chinese clone army back then? I do agree it was hard due to disease, famine, wars, etc. However, we did have some decent size armies back then. You are right though yes they have some bigger armies nonetheless.

As I said shock factor. :)

That is actually an interesting hammer. Blink and Slam?

If we make it even numbers I could see this going either way, as you've posted @merulezall the trolls regen is going to catch the Elves completely off guard, and due to this factor that means half the army is kind of useless against them. Not saying a elf from warhammer couldn't take on a troll, just makes life a lot harder on them. The Elves are comparable in training though with each other. Funny enough I think @wut's point on dwarfs makes them the MVPs and the Trolls the MVP. At least army wise which is rather kind of interesting. Nevertheless this would be a glorious fight if again @solarwavealpha you equalized numbers for both sides. I'd recommend giving the night elves and trolls around warhammer numbers to create large cluster pucks everywhere!

@bastets: Assuming I equalize numbers to warhammer status?

@wut:Alright.

@solarwavealpha: Equalized numbers I'd favor the WoW team.