X men red feat is better

x-factor IMO because being underwater makes it much easier to lift if im not mistaken. Although it's worth noting she doesn't seem to be straining at all, just says she can't hold it forever. Although does that thing in Red also weigh thousands of tons? I don't know. Namor was casually holding it up though

@marvelfan1992: well I think namor is a hundred tonner and has gone toe to toe with hulk and Thor, so he shouldn't have trouble casually lifting something like this.

I don't know the physics about lifting stuff underwater, but just want to point out that Jean is also holding up part of another building that got broken off. it's not as long as the spire, but it shows that she's lifting not just one building.

well, the Empire State Building weighs 365,000 tons, so the it doesn't sound far fetched that the part jean lifted weighed thousands of tons

I'm going to say X Factor in this. Even if both items weighed a similar amount the Empire feat is more impressive due to momentum and the air having less density to slow a falling item than water would.

@thewatcherking: why do you say Red is the better feat?

@del_torro true Jean seems to be holding up the other piece of building as well. Regardless, i really don't think it is as hard to keep those up with TK underwater as it was to keep the antenna up from the top of the building. I will say, however, that Jean looks more powerful to me in Red because of how casually she seems to be doing it. But talking about the lifting feat itself, I go with X-Factor.

Jean is holding 2 big pieces of structures and is also keeping gentle in a tk field so he could breathe. multi tktasking

@darthphoenix: please, do you have the scan of Rachel catching a skyscraper when Providence was falling?

@marvelfan1992: Thanks, but that's this is the one of her catching a city. I know it's a more impressive feat than catching a skyscraper, but since we were talking about catching buildings I figured it wouldnt be out of topic to mention it.

anyone annoyed how jean and Rachel strained when they lifted city's and said they couldn't hold it up, but Nate and cable lift city's or mountains, they allow them do it casually

@marvelfan1992: Thanks, but that's this is the one of her catching a city. I know it's a more impressive feat than catching a skyscraper, but since we were talking about catching buildings I figured it wouldnt be out of topic to mention it.

anyone annoyed how jean and Rachel strained when they lifted city's and said they couldn't hold it up, but Nate and cable lift city's or mountains, they allow them do it casually

@marvelfan1992: It would be a lot harder I would imagine to perform the feat underwater due to the water pressure you would experience, on top of that Jean never actually struggled doing the feat. She also was creating a TK shield around herself and others, so she didn't have trouble performing an arguably better feat while multi tasking.

@del_torro: you mean this?

btw where did Nate lift a city or mountain? i don't recall much lifting feats from him

@marvelfan1992: yeah, thanks that's the scan I was referring to.

you're right about Nate grey, I remembered wrong, he crushed a city in his sleep, not lift it. he seems have Kore feats of blasting things.

I checked his feat of punching and destroying the moon that I saw on his respect thread, and in the comic, it was a dream he had, not an actual feat.

@marvelfan1992: 1) Namor has been noted to have been seen lifting thousands of tons in several occasions, according to wikia. (I tried looking up some feats to fact check. What I found is below) I’m no mathematician, so I can’t say anything about the spire. Someone would have to calculate how tall this building seems relative to the Atlanteans, other buildings, and real life buildings usual weights on land, as well as how buoyancy would contributing to making it lighter for Jean to lift it.

Namor feats:

•Rights a sinking ship, lifts it, and puts it on land. Not entirely sure what the cargo is in there, but a cargo ship usually weighs around

https://i.imgur.com/tuxuRuA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/csoGjY7_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

I think I believe these quora explanations about the weight of cargo and the ships, but someone with better calaculations feel free to put input.

https://www.quora.com/Approximately-how-many-tons-can-the-average-large-cargo-ship-carry

•He’s also caught a ship thrown up in the air by atuma. Looks like a fishing ship, so it’s probably a 100 tonner feat

https://i.imgur.com/bAfgUa4_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

•He also lifts a submarine out of the water and into the air. The narrator describes it as ninety feet of metal plates and armament.

https://i.imgur.com/Ruy2tCL_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

2) Water does make things easier to lift by virtue of the water pushing upwards on the object, but note that Jean said in both Red and Extermination she is located about 3,000 feet underwater. Using an online depth to pressure calculator, that amount equals to about 1332.25 psi working at her shields, while simultaneously lifting the spire.

So, in essence, she is lifting the object, with a little bit of help from buoyancy, but it is was sinking via gravity while she was withstanding the waters depths of pressure on her shields, lifting another building sinking, and communicating via telepathy. And also note that there are Atlanteans still inside and possibly water filling in the gaps. (That is if there wasn’t water in there already which would either contribute to the weight if it is a mostly closed off building or make it lighter if there are many large openings to even the weight out)

Just pointing things out.

i think what jean meant was she has to put the structures soon. we cant assume that shes straining herself carrying those structures, plus she also have to keep gentle breathing

The Atlantis feat is better hands down.

Eh...they're comparable. You would need to work out the material the Atlantis building is built from plus the effect of the water on its decent and lift and put whatever you come up with against what we can realisitcally math out for the empire state building feat. The Atlantis feat appears bigger but because its underwater it's hard to tell.

Jean did it better.

And thanks God,bloodstorm is dead.Then we would've bigger featzzzzz war.

@pyrofn i picked x-men red cause it has more visual of the pink powers being used...........

Enough of this kiddy level, building lifting feats. Teen Jean is going around punching Galactus and his Herald, Adult Jean better start lifting Cities, or Moons or Stars dammit!

Xfactor