No time stone.

Prime Surtur.

In-character

Win by death

1 mile apart on Asgard (but Surtur won't fully destroy Asgard before defeating the team)

Surtur.

Team with Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch as the last two standing, Even if Doctor Strange can't bargain with Surtur to not destroy Asgard, he can simply make hundreds of copies of himself that can distract Surtur as well as use what I presume were the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, as well as do a variety of other methods, conjure shields to withstand his sword as they were also withstanding the blasts of Dormammu after Doctor Strange came to die after failing to bargain with the cosmic being, Scarlet Witch's power was sufficient enough to shape Vibranium and rip holes in it, so far to my knowledge the only char that has destroyed Vibranium on screen, destroy a Infinity Stone as well as toss around those large machines in the Battle for Wakanda, her TK and TP I imagine backed by Strange would possibly be sufficient enough to throw chunks of some of Asgard's buildings at Surtur. Surtur was staggered by the Hulk's punch, in the end while Surtur would easily kill Wong and the Ancient One, I could see Doctor Strange and the Witch taking it 7/10 though I could be convinced otherwise.

the wizerds may trap him and win

Surtur stomps. Thanos' kick broke Strange's shield. He's not stopping Surtur's sword. Surtur is larger than mountains, so he's way too large to be restrained. Surtur got impaled by Hela's spikes, which were massive in their own right, and shrugged it off. Even if they do manage to pierce him, there's nothing to suggest Surtur can be stopped. We don't even know if he has organs or anything.

Bending vibranium is massively overrated. There was an easter egg in Agents of Shield, where we saw Hulk made a dent in vibranium walls in the facility that Banner made to contain himself. Thanos can break vibranium with his fingertips by pinching. Even Corvus' spear can cut through Vision's vibranium body. Surtur's sword swings are leagues more powerful than Wanda's TKing Ultron's core. Actually, many attacks in the MCU are.

What the hell can they do against a guy the size of a mountain who can one shot cities? BFR him? no, bind him? Fuck no they could barely bind thanos. Add the whole MCU to the roster and maybe they can scratch him.

What is this thread? Strange solos.

Surtur wins.

They portal his head off.

If The Ancient One and Strange start reality warping maybe they can do something. Beyond that Surtur does stomp.

Their reality warping is shit compared to skyfather with raw power like Surtur.

Surtur hasn't shown any immunity or resistance to reality warping.

There's no evidence that any of the people here could BFR a being that big.

Surtur he is unbeatable outside of sky fathers

Thanos hasn`t any reality warping resistance feats. Then why Strange didn`t warp him out of existence?

@iceheart_30: I didn't say that Strange or the Ancient one would win. I'm just saying that unless they start reality warping or something Surtur wins.

I'll go with the magic team. Wong, the ancient one, and strange should be able to take Surter down. Not quite sure what Wanda adds to this.

Surtur country-busts.

/Thread.

@thebestofthebest: read the last sentence in the op

@rebake: Oh well... team wins I guess?

@iceheart_30: Is there any reason that skyfather’s in the MCU should be holding as much weight as they do in the comics? What’s more, did they confirm Surtur as a skyfather, if they used the term to begin with?

@alavanka: 1) Thanos didn’t break the shield at all. Strange let it dissipate to ready himself. You clearly see it still active while Strange is still being knocked back and then you see it dissipate when he catches himself mid-air. You clearly would’ve seen Strange staggered more if Thanos succeeded in breaking the shield. There was no indication of that.

2) We’ve seen Thanos survive having building size objects thrown on top of him, albeit with use of the gems. Yet, the Strange along with the team managed to stagger Thanos altogether, with Strange doing well enough on his own in handling Thanos.

Size is the least of his worries, especially after facing Dormmamu.

3) Claiming Surtur has no organs is not only redundant, but you have no evidence to suggest that he doesn’t. Unless there is a comprehensive diagram from the films or something to suggest otherwise, there is no point in even mentioning his bodily make up.

4) Ok, so Hulk bent vibranium. Did he break out, or did he merely bend it? Either way, we’ve seen Hulk punch an alien ship larger than buildings. Even if Hulk manages to break through the vibranium, it would hold weight on the durability of vibranium given that it took Hulk multiple hits on the metal alloy.

5) Thanos is about as strong as the Hulk, if not stronger, why wouldn’t he be able to break vibranium?

6) Is there any reason that Corvus Blade cutting through Visions body with his spear should be considered a feat showing how bad vibranium is? Is this not a feat showing Corvus strength and the Spears durability?

7) I don’t find the core feat all thatbimpressive either. I’m more interested in Wanda holding a tower up in Civil War until someone incapacitated her with sonic waves, Wanda lifting giant wheeled vehicles, and Wanda temporarily holding Thanos back while having five infinity stones.

What’s more, Wanda also is a telepath with mind control abilities. Unless you have proof that Surtur has psionic resistance or immunity, there is no reason Wanda couldn’t use that ability on Surtur.

@pyrofn: Thanos hits the shield, and it shatters on impact. Strange is knocked back and uses magic to stop himself/levitate. The shield itself broke on impact. Again, this is just Thanos kicking, apparently without invoking any of the stones. How is Strange's sword going to stop Surtur from driving his sword down?

Hulk bending vibranium is on the same level as Wanda bending vibranium. We have no idea how many shots he took at the walls, but it doesn't matter because it's unlikely he spammed punches at the same spot in a fit of rage. Thanos can break vibranium by pinching. Again pinching. Thanos is not throwing punches or kicks, let alone using the infinity stones to attack. Considering how well Cap and Wanda do against Corvus, Corvus probably isn't Hulk level in strength. That leaves his spear....which would be better than vibranium. My point was that merely being able to break vibranium in and of itself is overrated. Just because Thanos can break vibranium with his fingertips, doesn't mean he's going to use his fingertips to catch Surtur's sword. Hela could crush Uru, which you can make a case for being stronger than vibranium, with her grip. Hela cannot stop Surtur from driving his sword down on her. Surtur's sword is not building level. Surtur himself towers over mountains, and his sword is almost as tall as him. Wanda would have to move mountains for me to believe she can defend against Surtur.

Surtur is a giant fire demon that comes out of a magical crown. Hela shot skyscraper sized spikes at where Surtur's heart would be and it pretty much did nothing. Even if Wanda picked up the wheel spikes and hurled them at Surtur, and they pierce him, there's nothing to suggest Surtur doesn't just ignore this and keep rampaging. Wanda gave the Avengers visions but she had to get up close to them to do this. She's never managed to mind control any of the Avengers during Civil War, when they were actively fighting against her. Or Thanos, Corvus, or Proxima in Infinity War.

Surtur wins.

@alavanka: 1) Ok, I see what you mean. So Strange will need to employ more evasive maneuvers. Shielding isn’t the only thing in his arsenal.

2) It doesn’t matter if he bent it in multiple places. If it took him multiple tries to break through, then that speaks well for the vibranium s durability. If it contained hm still, all the better. If Hulk didn’t break the Vibranium after so many tries, Wanda breaking through something like Ultrons body with his heart should be considered above Hulk, consideringbit took less effort for her to pull something out of Ultron then t did for a raging Hulk to bend the walls. Like I say though, Wanda pulling out Uptrons heart is comparably low to her usual showings to begin with.

3) Corvus didn’t face the two alone. In fact, he faced them separate. Wanda was already exhausted after being flanked and having to be running to Visions aid the fight while going against Proxima Midnight. Meanwhile, Cap has a full fledge plan alongside Eidow and Falcon. Corvus is no Hulk, but Wanda hanging on while already tired does not imply she is inferior to Corvus in any way or equal to him even.

4) The mountain thing could hold some weight if Wanda were merely lifting him. She isn’t. She has back up and her own goal is to defeat him. I’m quite sure Surtur can feel pain if the opponent is strong enough. That would mean we should compare her to people who have fought Surtur, not on Surtur’s size. Considering Hulk was able to throw a good punch at Surtur the first time, it should be of no stretch that Wanda could as well if she really tried. Why Hulk couldn’t do it a second time, I suspect he focused on quicker weaker punches, rather than the lunge that actually did something.

5) Yet Thor clearly through a punch that flinched the giant monster. Clearly Surtur can feel pain and I did mention that Hulk has punched a ship larger than buildings in New York. Ergo it seems more clear that Hela lacks the necessary strength or simply didn’t aim at the right spot, which seems to be Surturs head. Looking back at a weaker Surtur, Thor took him down by bringing his hammer on Surturs head. If Hulks lunch had the same affect, it is entirely possible that Hela simply aimed at the wrong place.

6) She didn’t have to get up close to accomplish the feat on a whole city of people. The only reason I could see a problem with her mind control is with how slow t works, in which I doubt would intimidate Surtur to begin with for him to go, huh, ‘this will probably harm me, I should Smash whatever is doing this’, or possibly even noticing it to begin with.

7) And? So, she didn’t use the ability in Civil War. So what? She all of sudden lose this ability? Is it confirmed that she couldn’t have used it? There was just simply better application for Wanda’s telekinesis than her telepathy. Simple as that.

As for Corvus and Proxima, like I said, she was already tired when she was fighting those two. Thanos has the power of five gems in the gauntlet at the point Wanda sees him. It is pretty clear Thanos at that point is more powerful than her and that her focus would primarily be on the mind stone. Too high stake to rely on a slow ability or get up close.

The sorcerers simply combine their magic to form a big portal around Surtur's head. Easy win. He's far too slow to avoid it. It doesn't even have to be his head, they could form it right underneath him and he'd likely never notice.

Strange cuts off his head with portals. Sorcerer team stomps.

Surtur has only two feats. Breaking out of the Asgardian Palace and Killing himself. Not enough to contend with Sorcerers as skilled as strange or ancient one

@pyrofn:

Evasive maneuvers aren't going to do much when Surtur dragging his sword across the ground registers as a multi-city block attack. A single one of Surtur's blows would blow up the entire street Strange is standing on. Forget about the city wiping blow when he stabs Asgard's core, this alone would wipe the team if it lands. This also thoroughly disproves the nonsense that Surtur has no feats. Surtur's casual movements are some of the best striking feats in the MCU, but people gloss them over because Surtur's own high end feats are so insane they dwarf even that.

We don't know how many punches Hulk threw in the cabin, but it's unlikely Hulk repeated hit the same place twice. That would imply control and accuracy, which would be rather put of character. Obviously Hulk didn't break the vibranium. The chamber was designed by himself to contain him. Here's the thing though: Wanda never broke Vibranium. She slightly bent the plates around it when she pulled Ultron's core out. None of the plates were broken, though the edges may have been warped.

In order to lift Surtur, she needs to lift a mountain. In order to bust Surtur, she needs to blow-up a mountain. Hulk was at most a minor annoyance to Surtur, even if he managed on good hit with a charge. Hela outright skewered Surtur with massive spikes, and that did next to nothing in stopping Surtur from slamming his sword. Wanda can't lift Surtur, can blow him up, and can't put him down by throwing stuff at him. Wanda's never managed to affect the minds any of the Avengers without getting close to them, and even then she could only give them visions to incapacitate them. She has only been shown to mind control regular humans to do her will in AoU. That's why I brought up the point of her never mind controlling any of the Avengers in Civil War, or anybody in Infinity War. She's never used this ability on anyone she's fought, much less win. Now she's up against an opponent that dwarfs the Black Order combined.

Lol wut

They die immediately,unless Strange saves them with his portals

@alavanka: From what I know Corvus' spear could cut through anything in the comics too. (I'm not very sure of that but I think I read that somewhere)

And Vision isn't complete Vibranium so perhaps the porting around his head wasn't Vibranium.

But on topic. Surtur wins. He may look slow because of his size but in reality he's really fast for humans. He'd probably kill most of them if they're standing together.