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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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DP ftw....
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Hyperstorm wins.
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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Dark Phoenix
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Phoenix.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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Hyperstorm wins.
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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Phoenix.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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Both at full power.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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Both at full power.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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I'm going with hyperstorm as well.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
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Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans.
Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right?
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@cracks said:"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
Plot thats the only way i can explain it
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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"@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "
sort of, a mutant with her powers increased exponentially by the PF.
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device."@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive." @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus.
Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him.
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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" @Ferro Vida said:I am too tired to even try to follow that arguement right now. I'll try again tomorrow" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:Wrong, His mother is the one a fully fed Galactus came to earth to destroy and she threw Nova at him and knocked his ass over with, he tried to erase her and found out that to do so would kill him and the universe he was in. The Phoenix Force was what beat Galactus and he was not near death until after the fight depleting his power trying to fight her, and claiming that her power only grew while his weakened because the source of her power was greater than his, at this point she was tapping into the life force of future generations. Reed Richards reading on Dark Phoenix was before she ate a star and became big Gs rival and after that feeding became second only to the creator, after which Reed says that she is the Big Bang, which is a force that made sure Galactus was born. The source of Hyperstorms power is the same source of Sue Storms power and as a power that is part of the universe is a product of the big bang, which is The Phoenix. "" @Espada said:His mother beat a starving Galactus and I have never actually seen Big G fight anyone at full strength I don't see how his grandma beating him is overly impressive. When Dark Phoenix first manifested Reed Richards stated that her power levels rivaled those of Galactus. The Galactus that he had met at that point was nowhere near his full power and was seeking to consume a new planet to replenish his strength. Obviously he failed, or there would be no Earth, meaning that at the time the only reading the Richards could have gotten would have been the energy levels of a hungry Galactus. Hyperstorm lost to Galactus because the type of energy he produced was one that Galan metbolized, meaning that there was nothing he could do to stop Big G. If it weren't for that plot device, I doubt anything would have stopped him. "" @Phoenix of the Black Throne said:so then explain it away since, since then he has never been heard of again, and his mother and grandmother have been known to kick Big G's ass without being plot devices "" @cracks said:... Which can be described as nothing other than a plot device. ""@Th3 FlAsH 123: Yeah. I mean Hyperstorm already conquered most of the universe, can heal himself, can draw limitless energy from hyperspace, is slightly more intelligent than Doctor Doom and Reed Richards, and has control of the four fundamental forces in the universe (the strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnetic force and the gravitational force). And Doctor Doom managed to steal the powers of the Silver Surfer and Galactus. His powers are a combination of Professor X's, Magneto's and the Phoenix Force's powers. Hyperstorm is arguably the most powerful mutant. He can defeat any other mutant; individually that is, not all at the same time. This is under the assumption that mutants are humans. Dark Phoenix is not a mutant right? "and yet he became the forever dinner of Galactus "
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
Combined with the fact that he was described as the Phoenic and then some
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Hyperstorm Has unlimited access to the HYperspace realm where all the energies of the Marvel multiverse originate from Whereas the Phoenic is limited to the energy of all future life.
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hyperstorm wins this mainly because of his strong reality warping powers and his connection to hyperspace
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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id say phoenix.. i haven't seen hyperstorm do anything. and he gets pawned by galactus.. also
Hyperstorm is still a mutant... a life form; therefore Dark Phoenix has jurisdiction over him, hell she gave him life "im speaking figuratively" and what she gives, she can take away; she simply denies him existence and banishes him from the multiverse.. he doesn't have any feats, i understand what he's capable of doing but i don't see anything yett.. and Phoenix has some of the best feats ive seen in Marvel.. basedd on all that She wins; Cosmic being vs Most Powerful Mutant uhh.. ill take Phoenix for 200
the same energy he draws from Hyperspace, she can manipulate it, and she has the experience (being here since the dawn of time), skill/knowledge (one of the oldest entities), and power (source of all past, present, and future life; nexus of all energies in the universe, fuels the very stars etc to do it
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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hyperstorm ftw.............
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DP ftw....
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DP ftw....
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DP ftw....
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DP ftw....
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Hyperstorm wins.
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Hyperstorm wins.
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Hyperstorm wins.
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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dark phoenix eats his life form... banishes him from existence
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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Hyperstorm wins...beleive it was said above father franklin who has Universal Realiy warping feats. Also he concquered his entire Timeline/Universe & planned to take over all timelines which reed seemed to think was definate possability...
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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@recordkeeper: what does this have to do with her... he's still a living being, is he not? she devours his life force or banishes him from existence. quite simple
not going to be that easy at all.
& Hyperstorm was also able to stop Doom w/prep/tech from stealing his life force energies once started unlike Galactus/PR Beyonder ect...
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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that hold little relevance here... doom w/prep/tech isn't the phoenix, who is the very source of hyperstorm's existence. period. Is the Phoenix not the sum and substance of all life?? doom w/tech isn't the primal force of creation. it's that simple, just because doom couldn't doesn't mean phoenix can't, hell in her weakest incarnation (rachel only wielded a fraction of the force) she defeated a hungry galactus who pawned hyperstorm..
Many cosmic beings have access to a virtually unlimited energy source, Phoenix is also one of those beings. What truly matters in forum debate is how such beings can employ that power and how they have been shown to be able to employ it in battle.
Hyperstorm for all his talk about his power got squished by Galactus no contest. His claims are therefore unproven :)
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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@edamame: Quite. A lot of people back then on comicvine really underestimated the Phoenix, as evidence by the many who support Hyperstorm in spite of the fact that he lost to Galactus.
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Dark Phoenix
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Phoenix.
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Phoenix.
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Phoenix.
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Phoenix.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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@edamame: it can reclaim stolen power and remove all traces of it. The sword of the Phoenix kept a shadow, the Cuckoos stole and locked away splinters and the Phoenix took it all back.
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