Warcraft Horde vs Vampire Counts

Horde Forces

Leadership

Supreme Commander - Sylvanas

Sub Commanders - Grom Hellscream, Lor'themar Theron, Vol'jin, and Baine Bloodhoof.

Horde Military Forces

Vampire Count Forces

Leadership

Supreme Commander - Vlad von Carstein

Sub Commanders - Isabella von Carstein, Mannfred von Carstein, Konrad von Carstein, and Heinrich Kemmler.

Vampire Military Forces

Rules

• All lore allowed; standard versions for all characters


• No BFR


• Win by destroying the other side


• No Prep


• Random Encounter


• No outside interference


• No Backstabbing

Environment - 3 miles apart

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You added way to many vampire lords and master level necromancers IMO. Usually Vampire counts army are supported with only 1 or 2 vampire lord andor master necromancer and a coven of minor necromancers. As it is, vampires will just never run out of mooks, in fact they can raise them faster than they will be losing them.

So all in all I vote for vampires.

@redzkz: I can see why, but doesn't the forsaken and the other horde magics help counter their rapid regen sparked from the VC's forces? Also the horde has superior troops and ranged troops for that matter as well. Wouldn't those factors help balance out the fight?

>tfw Von Carstein over Blood Dragons

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@redzkz:

On top of this, aren't Warhammer vampires causally faster then the eye can follow and incredibly physically strong? They could speedblitz through dozens of the Horde's warriors at a time each. And the Strigoi are even more physically powerful.

Not to mention that the Horde don't have anything comparable to zombie dragons or terrorgheists in the air, nor anything as physically powerful as varghulfs on the ground. The Horde also have very limited ways to deal with wraiths and banshees.

@metaljimmor: Actually the horde for air wise has way more medium air power than the VC, and has still a large amount of small creatures, so its not an entire lost cause for them up in the air at all. Plus like I said archers as well.

As for ground, you're completely right about the vampires I completely forgot to add in some orc blademasters. The horde has artillery for dealing with some of the larger creatures.

Eh Vampire counts win imo. However, it would be a decent fight. I think SWA has pointed out some certain aspects that might help give the horde a standing chance. However I feel the horde's leaders will be the rea MVP.

@solarwavealpha: When doing a set up WoW vs WHF, the mage numbers should be staggered. Mages are way more common in WoW then they are in WHF, isn't as bad as it sounds as magic in WHF is stronger [speaking of average joe mage vs average joe mage]. WoW magic is usually single/small group. WHF magic tends to very easily climb into the 'regimental' level. So, WoW mages would be far more common but be less potent per mage while the WHF mage would be incredibly rare but pack way more of a punch so which is better really depends on what you want from your mages.

EDIT: Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait.. You.. You do know that.. Blood Knights are Blood Dragons, right? Blood Knights are the bloodline, Blood Dragons are a sub-faction of them [But everyone, including myself, calls them Blood Dragons because it sounds cooler].

... That is 8,000, essentially, Blood Dragon Knights... a handful of them were enough to let Konrad win his battles despite being insane [They are that good. By themselves, they were capable of routing the Empire armies sent up against them].

The numbers need changed, this is a massive mismatch in the Vampire Counts' favor. I'd take a lot of the vampires out, especially the lords. Once the numbers are balanced this will be a cool fight, and yes the Horde actually does have an advantage in the air over the Vampire Counts in this scenario so there is that.

@wut: No I understand the mages part, I forgot to edit them when i decided to change up the numbers for the vamp counts. I also forgot to add in orc blademasters as well, so I plan to edit that later today when I can.

Yeah I knew they were the same thing, I just mixed up the faction. However, I thought they were more of a merc warband rather than a huge fighting force. I thought the vons had like a weaker knock of version of them is all. That's why I upped their numbers a little higher otherwise I would of left like 500 or something like that.

@solarwavealpha: You're thinking of the Drakenhof Templar.

@wut: No, he's thinking of the beastmen!

@wut: Oh okay, if I used those instead and kept 8k would that still be fine or should I still lower it?

@solarwavealpha: The strength of them depends on the era. In Vlad's day, they were pretty much Blood Dragons as they were a true order of Empire Knights [although as they were made by Von Drak, I seriously doubt their skill compared to other Knights] that were transformed into vampires [Still probably not the Blood Dragon's equal as those guys are from Abhorash's bloodline and Abhorash is just a monster, but close enough to be comparable].

In Konrad's day, he had a mix of both Blood Dragons and Templar, so his Templar were still effective.

It isn't until you get to Mannfred that the Templar are watered down versions as he pretty much threw any vampire that he didn't consider worthy of the name to them, still they are massively powerful and were his strongest unit. Think he only had like... a few brotherhoods of them.

@wut: Well this is vlads area, so drop them down to like 1k?

@solarwavealpha: Since they have 18k Abominations and the like, 1k should be fine.

@wut: Alright it's been fixed

How good of a Commander is Vlad? Last I checked he ended up jobbing and losing the first vamp wars. However, I'd prolly still take Sylvanas as a better leader. I feel she's also a better fighter due to her equipment being better against Vlad as well, but overall I think the vamps might lead in the actual army aspect.

I love these kinds of battles from SWA sadly I dont know enough about the vamps.

However sylvanas losing is not acceptable lol

@nerdchore: thanks man! :)

@solarwavealpha: of course you always make good battles. Just wish i was more knowledgeabke to comment lol

@nerdchore: Feel if its characters im always down to provide feats when it comes to factions its a little harder ha

@solarwavealpha: yeah you just gotta know your stuff at that point.