Elder David Vs Yhwach Bach

Rules & Stipulations

• Both are at their best within their usual levels of power


• Both will have standard gear & basic knowledge on one another


• David & Yhwach will both be in-character and completely serious


• The fight will be in a shared universe, but energy won't be equalized


• Win by death, knockout, surrender, or incapacitation
  

Who Wins? Why?

Callouts

Haven't finished Magi yet, but Juha clearly isn't beating a universal+ omnipotent god.

David isn't universal or anywhere close, at least not this version.

Must reread magi.

Feats for the Magi character?

I.d.k. David leads the magican of the Alma Torran-world and was the Magi of Sinbad, or at least Sinbad was somekind of reincarnation. He has some abilitys, like "Seeing in the Future", his Borg (Was the third best Borg in the World of Magi), and became a higher Level then Ugo and Sinbad:

The David who once fight against Ill Illah, i don´t know. Maybe Yhwach should beat him by feats.

The David who became a higher God then Sinbad and Ugo stomps.

@caocao: This is the David that fought Solomon one-on-one, not his Sacred Palace incarnation.

Ok, thanks. I don´t remember well. I have to research, first.

No problem.

So, there is no much what can help. First, Yhwach has far more Abilitys then David. His Powers like "The Almighty" should be a problem, even for David. The only thing, that makes it difficult for Yhwach but hit David whit his Powers, is his Borg. It is very difficult to break it, and i don´t even know if Yhwach has the Powers to break this Shield. In the fight between David and Solomon, both nukes a City away with her Powers, but is this enough to put Yhwach down? David has not much feats, what i can use against Yhwach.

@valorknight: is this the guy you said will solo bleach? seems like yhwach handles him pretty well here.

@universeichigo1:

is this the guy you said will solo bleach?

Nope, either of the ones I mentioned would smack this guy into next week.

seems like yhwach handles him pretty well here.

He doesn't, as they are similar in both stats and hax.

@valorknight: if this guy isn't the strongest then who is and what is this guy's level.

also if the island busters can stomp this guy to the ground then he isn't yhwach's level in stat or hax, anyone thats yhwach's equal in hax wouldn't be stomped by island level characters

@universeichigo1:

if this guy isn't the strongest then who is and what is this guy's level.

The strongest character in the series is someone who has twice transcended omnipotence and who can warp the fabric of reality on a whim, that being King Sinbad.

also if the island busters can stomp this guy to the ground then he isn't yhwach's level in stat or hax

DC isn't all that matters in a fight, especially considering the fact that the characters I mentioned in the other thread have crazy illusion and soul hax that this guy has no counter to. I have also seen nothing to prove that Yhwach is anywhere above multi-mountain level at the very maximum (he hasn't destroyed anything that big in one go, only said that he would).

anyone thats yhwach's equal in hax wouldn't be stomped by island level characters

Again, you're mistaken if you think that how much someone can blow up is the only defining factor in a fight.

@valorknight:

The strongest character in the series is someone who has twice transcended omnipotence and who can warp the fabric of reality on a whim, that being King Sinbad.

Maybe i am mistaken but i have seen sinbad in a CAV and he wasn't this strong at most he could transmutate matter but omnipotence? thats taking it to far.

DC isn't all that matters in a fight, especially considering the fact that the characters I mentioned in the other thread have crazy illusion and soul hax that this guy has no counter to. I have also seen nothing to prove that Yhwach is anywhere above multi-mountain level at the very maximum (he hasn't destroyed anything that big in one go, only said that he would).

yes you are right DC isn't all that matter. i would skip the rest and o straight to the part where you said yhwach is mountain level, i believe you have heard of scaling, feats isn't all that determines a characters power, a lot of characters on this site have used scaling to determine the strength of a character what makes this any different.

Again, you're mistaken if you think that how much someone can blow up is the only defining factor in a fight.

that isn't what i meant. you said he has hax equal to yhwach, his future manipulation is border line reality warping now what power do you think is a fit to be equal to future manipulation.

@universeichigo1:

Maybe i am mistaken

You are.

but i have seen sinbad in a CAV and he wasn't this strong at most he could transmutate matter but omnipotence? thats taking it to far.

After becoming the guardian of the Sacred Palace, Sinbad surpassed the already omnipotent previous guardian and did so again when the character from this thread mantled a position above even his. In addition, he was shown creating and destroying entire universes without effort on multiple occasions after mantling the position of guardian.

yes you are right DC isn't all that matter.

Then why did you use it as a gauge when judging if they could defeat Yhwach or not? I already mentioned that they carry some serious hax, so it should have been obvious that DC is not all that they have.

i would skip the rest and o straight to the part where you said yhwach is mountain level

That is not at all what I said. I stated that he wasn't above multi-mountain level, which he isn't, and no one that he scales to is either.

that isn't what i meant. you said he has hax equal to yhwach, his future manipulation is border line reality warping now what power do you think is a fit to be equal to future manipulation

Elder David has future manipulation, though (if anything, more completely than Yhwach considering that if he had true future manipulation he wouldn't have been defeated at all). In Magi, David essentially manipulated the future to become the guardian of the Sacred Palace through Sinbad even after his death.

That is not at all what I said. I stated that he wasn't above multi-mountain level, which he isn't, and no one that he scales to is either.

so yhwach is multi mountain level, the same yhwach who supossingly spent his entire life planing to destroy the dimensions with his multi mountain level power supposingly even after absorbing the soulking, mimihagi, all the quincies and ichigo's powers, he is still multi mountain. if he was multi mountain level wouldn't he had seen that he didn't have the power to destroy those three dimensions and stopped while he could?

Elder David has future manipulation, though (if anything, more completely than Yhwach considering that if he had true future manipulation he wouldn't have been defeated at all). In Magi, David essentially manipulated the future to become the guardian of the Sacred Palace through Sinbad even after his death.

you yourself know he was defeated by PIS.

@universeichigo1:

so yhwach is multi mountain level, the same yhwach who supossingly spent his entire life planing to destroy the dimensions with his multi mountain level power supposingly even after absorbing the soulking, mimihagi, all the quincies and ichigo's powers, he is still multi mountain.

That is correct. If he doesn't have the feats, just planning to do something doesn't mean much.

if he was multi mountain level wouldn't he had seen that he didn't have the power to destroy those three dimensions and stopped while he could?

The answer is plot. If he had stopped, there wouldn't have been a final conflict (the author is simply so bad at actually building his characters up that he didn't think to give anyone the proper feats).

you yourself know he was defeated by PIS.

Not really a valid excuse.

Yhhype the defeated dies.. Again..

Any specific reasons?

@valorknight:

That is correct. If he doesn't have the feats, just planning to do something doesn't mean much.

this tells me a lot about you. scaling is a factor you know?

The answer is plot. If he had stopped, there wouldn't have been a final conflict (the author is simply so bad at actually building his characters up that he didn't think to give anyone the proper feats).

so this one is plot but him getting defeated by a plot arrow is not? so yhwach was a fool who didn't even know that what he walked for his entire life was fake, he even got to a piont where he was about to merge three dimensions with that black goo of his but he couldn't after all he is multi mountian level, how can someone who is multi mountain level even hold those diimensions from falling apart in the first place i suppose that too was plot. and overall kubo never intended him to be able to do such a thing despite mentioning it several times in the manga.

@universeichigo1:

this tells me a lot about you. scaling is a factor you know?

I do, but no one he scales to is above multi-mountain level, so it hardly matters within the context of our discussion.

so this one is plot but him getting defeated by a plot arrow is not? so yhwach was a fool who didn't even know that what he walked for his entire life was fake, he even got to a piont where he was about to merge three dimensions with that black goo of his but he couldn't after all he is multi mountian level, how can someone who is multi mountain level even hold those diimensions from falling apart in the first place i suppose that too was plot. and overall kubo never intended him to be able to do such a thing despite mentioning it several times in the manga.

It's all plot. I can say the same about the final villains of plenty other manga, but the author's bad writing doesn't excuse the lack of feats to back up the baseless hype.