Rules

• Morals on/In-character


• Random encounter


• T'Challa and Erik have the herb


• Daisy is depowered


• Bobbi and Natasha have their standard melee gear (with no shock functions)


• Everyone else is unarmed

@rbt@jsdoctor@anthp2000@dstreet45@the_magister@rogueshadow@_kingoflatveria@amcu@tonymartial

Backing the agents in a brutal fight. T'Challa and N'Jadaka can prolong the fight via stats, but these ladies are just too skilled and can take their hits well enough.

The collage of the SHIELD Divas is insanely badass.

OT: The agents win, decisively. If Clint can fight T'Challa with his vibranium suit, Widow, Bobbi and May can.

Bobbi faught Vin Tak, Widow faught Proxima Midnight and May faught Sinara. Vin Tak and Proxima are easily Asgardian level in stats, and very skilled warriors (Proxima I'd say is more skilled than Panther). Sinara wasn't as impressive, but May was fighting her with a litteral hole on her leg, so the showing itself is comparable.

Daisy has faught Sinara, and her overall skill combined with her extreme stats makes her comparable to any of the adult agents.

Now, I think people will underestimate T'Challa's skill here, because of his solo film. But (a) he wasn't that bad at all and (b) he had just undergone a huge change in his fighting style by been nerfed that much.

Point is, if you downgrade May to thug level stats and agility, she's gonna look unskilled too. Overall, while the Agents hold a strong skill edge, they wouldn't be able to dance around T'Challa or Killmonger - but 2 of them against either of them, can, through skill, numbers and reach advantage.

The real problem would be putting down the metas. But I'm more than confident they can do it. Even unarmed, Widow was choking out Bucky with her thigh hold, and Bucky's more durable than these guys. Give her the assistance of May (who with focused/specialised unarmed techniques could one shot someone as durable as Grant Ward) or Bobbi (who was staggering Vin Tak) or Daisy (who was dropping Kree warriors herself) and both of them can be put down.

Team 1, they don't have the firepower to put down Super Soldiers

The Agents 6/10. Killmonger was momentarily incap by three Dora Milaje, I think the Agents would have an easier time dealing with him since all four women have feats fighting combatants with superhuman stats.

T'Challa is problem but once Killmonger is out of the equation they can gang up on him.

Actually I agree with this.

Having watched the film again, I think Killmonger is/has been underrated, at least in terms of prestige, aside from his pedigree in the military, which is extreme, he's basically evil Batman. It's not like he's just an elite soldier (impressive enough in itself), this guy has been training since he was 8ish years old with intense focus and drive to exact his revenge, operating under the knowledge that he's gonna have to fight in a trial by combat to the death and kill T'Challa, he's been training and prepping to be the ultimate killer for 20 - 25 years.

The idea that he would be an amazing martial-artist/weaponsmaster who could challenge T'Challa is not only plausible, but likely, I don't see it as a mark against T'Challa that he lost to him, especially when T'Challa clearly didn't want to kill him.

Regarding the fight, I don't see what they have to actually keep the super-soldiers down. Basic melee weapons won't work. Super-soldiers win.

Agents in a stomp. To much skill for them to over come. depowered Daisy has arguably surpassed May. So the kitty cats dont have a chance.

The ladies take this. They have all fought people with enhanced strength and did well.

@angeljax: Very good match. Well balanced as all battles should be. I got to give it to the agents in a brutal fight.

It's not a stomp...

Panther and Killmonger

@anthp2000: proxima is more skilled how

@the_magister: can't get more stompy than what would happen if they fought.

This is a very good match - I'd side with SHIELD, but narrowly. With the significant numbers advantage, as well as the skill advantage,they're able to go 2v1 on each opponent, meaning that they'll have to spend most of their time on the defensive unless they can stagger one of the agents. Whilst they'll be able to last a while due to their stats, it's not enough for them to take the win here.

I don't see the agents having the firepower to take them down.

Agents can't put them down. Despite being out skilled and out numbered, Super soldiers will win.

Super soldiers in a decent fight. Agents have the numbers and the skill but not the damage output to put down the Super Soldiers.

@killers10333:

She faught 2v1 against high tier opponents (Cap, Nat, Okoye) and kept up with them more than once.

Compare it to Bucky (who's almost as skilled as Steve and T'Challa) who couldn't keep up with the inferior team of Sharon and Nat in a 2v1 and was getting repeatedly beaten up till he overpowered them.

Super soldiers if they have their suits. Agents if not.

Bucky and Cap are better representatives of super soldiers tho, and they would clean house.

Can go either way in my opinion.

The elites for the majority.

@anthp2000: as far as i know, she only fought cap once, and basically got stomped. Granted, she was ambushed and falcon joined, just theres no real showing of skill in that 2 minutes.

Then she fought nat and the ladies, and she managed to keep up a bit, but i think its more due to her higher physicals than skill. Id have to rewatch that fight

Overall, i dont think she had a ton of skill showing, and nat was not enough for her on her own so im not sure that feat can be used in the same way as the others you mentioned

@killers10333:

She faught Cap and Widow simultaneously, from 2 different angles and held her own for a few seconds. That's extremely impressive given Cap and Widow's respective skill levels.

Then she kept up with Okoye and Widow, far better than Bucky (again, barely less skilled than Cap or T'Challa) kept up with Sharon and Widow in CW.

What has T'Challa ever done to suggest he can replicate these showings? It's a very fair comparison between her and the Super Soldiers.

WIth the herb, Panther and Erik should take this.

Team one. WS someone arguably worse than either of the two took Widow and Sharon together fairly convincingly 2V1 so I reckon Erik or Tchalla can do the same with the above agents.

T'challa and Eric are in Cap and Bucky's tier with the herb, peak humans can't mess with Superhumans like these without special weapons. It's gonna be a badass fight but the team doesn't have the firepower to put these two down. They'll get outlasted if it comes down to it, which I don't think it will.

Agents due to skill and numbers and let's not forget all four of these ladies have superhuman feats in terms of Strength, Speed and Durability

I mean the ladies can fight them but they don't have a chance in hell of winning.