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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
She got beat up by Major Disaster and then he put her body inside a freaking fridge
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
In short giving your opponents information about yourself is stupid.
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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When in many situations when someone finds out about an identity they never do tell and it doesn't change much? (Arrow, Flash, Spiderman homecoming, Iron Man etc)
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Because it's the only smart/responsible thing to do.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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Spider-man seems to be the only one in marvel and he has the perfect reason.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
One thing one more day gave us was a realistic take on a costumed crime fighter and how he and his family would be affected.
@stormshadow_x said:
It matters and releastically speaking the writers don't do much with it.
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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@stormshadow_x: That's because when writers decide to handle that type of plot it (At least from what I've seen in the big two in recent memory) they've fumbled it.
Remember Superman: Truth? The story had so much potential but they screwed up Superman's characterization so bad that it made reading it a chore. I mean having Superman leave Metropolis and tell Lois and Jimmy to get lost was... jarring to say the least
Now I haven't read Grayson so I'm not sure how Nightwing's unmasking was handled
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
She got beat up by Major Disaster and then he put her body inside a freaking fridge
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
She got beat up by Major Disaster and then he put her body inside a freaking fridge
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
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Tell that to Guy Gardner girlfriend's
She got beat up by Major Disaster and then he put her body inside a freaking fridge
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@beyonder97: Kyle rayner
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@beyonder97: Kyle rayner
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@beyonder97: Kyle rayner
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@beyonder97: Kyle rayner
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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@stormshadow_x: my bad! Got confused!
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You clearly don't read comics.
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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You said people find out, they don't tell and it doesn't do much?
Someone's clearly never watched CW Arrow
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Actually it should probably be a bigger concern in the post-internet world.
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Keeping your identity secret as a superhero is essentially the same thing as keeping your identity secret on the internet
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Um the less people know, the better. Look at how messy Oliver’s life is now...
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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Unless you’v got at least country busting level powers where common crooks would be way too scared to come after you and your family
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
In short giving your opponents information about yourself is stupid.
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
In short giving your opponents information about yourself is stupid.
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
In short giving your opponents information about yourself is stupid.
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"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
In short giving your opponents information about yourself is stupid.
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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It is mostly a DC thing these days. In Marvel I think, it's happening less.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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because it's not smart to reveal your identity if you have loved ones which you want to protect and no armada of your enemies turning up on your doorstep.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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Real super heroes don't hide who they are. Just like Black Panther.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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@jagerzi: Well in BP's case, being the king of a nation with a GDP that's more than the real world's GWP probably helps.
In layman's terms, the guy has enough power and influence to be safe.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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So they can keep their loved ones safe.
Have you read any Spider-Man or Daredevil comics? Look what happens to their peers when a villain (or the world) discovers their secret identity.
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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Hiding your identity has a huge cost as well...Iron Man revealing his identity has had it easier than when he hid it...
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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@thorson: because your identity puts your family in danger duh?
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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Marvel don't have that. The majotiry of their characters don't have secret identity, barring maybe Daredevil and Spider Man. It's just a DC thing currently.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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it depends. it's not like a lot of the super heroes do a lot to try to hide their identity anyway. nightwing, green lantern, and some of them barely even wear a mask. superman and the many versions of supergirl don't wear anything. anyway ironman doesn't have a secret identity and he does ok. it all depends on the plot. it also builds tension and drama. if people knew the characters identity then that would eliminate half of the stories that are written.
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