Morals off for both tiers

Who wins and why?

Naruto still.

1,000 clones + LS Reaction, not to mention Rasenshuriken being thrown in every direction. Mael needs more speed feats.

But i feel like EOS Meliodas and Final Form Demon King or Mael will be Planet Level. But sadly it will probably be another Toriko. Another great series with cool feats, but ended too soon without even making it to 500 chapters.

Naruto obviously stomps. Too soon.

Do you mean mael? Nothing in NNT verse can handle Naruto top tier at the moment, and I doubt anyone will become as powerful as Naruto as the series goes on.

naruto does not have LS reactions but he does stomp Mael for now

You dont count him reacting to light fang as a FTL reaction feat?

@justsomerandomkid: No. if naruto has LS reactions then all the attacks and characters that can react from there on out should be considered LS too which we know they aren’t. Kaguya isn’t light speed, Kakashi isn’t LS, Madara isn’t LS and he got blitzed by guy who is considered relativistic which makes naruto being LS even less credible

Naruto will just eat that meal.

Kaguya isn’t light speed

How is Kaguya not if she is reacting to Naruto and Sauce?

Kakashi isn’t LS

Received an amp

Madara isn’t LS and he got blitzed by guy who is considered relativistic which makes naruto being LS even less credible

The light fang feat happened after Madara absorbed the tree. Giving him some more power.

Im pretty sure im not gonna change your mind but im curious about the responses

Rofl @ this logic, so instead of accepting the massive amp and growth they recieced just discredit the feat. These boards are hilarious.

To be honest I actually agree with Pablo about Naruto not being FTL. Well, I agree with him not being FTL because of the Light Fang feat, I could still be open to debate on anything else that might prove him to be FTL. Look, I can react to a car coming towards me even if the car is moving way faster than me. Naruto is definitely Relativistic for doing that, but FTL simply because he dodged an attack that’s reputation is to move at light speed? I’m sorry but you’re going to need a more proof than that for me. If Naruto consistently dodges or blocks things that are light speed or FTL, and I mean things stated to be or known to be not things that scale off of the feat I’m already disagreeing with, then yeah I’ll start calling him FTL too and we can all be one big happy family and eat our pie together. But this one dodging feat is the only thing I’ve ever seen anyone bring up to try to prove that Naruto and up are definitely FTL now. Anything else brought up is just something they scaled by assuming Naruto = FTL for dodging one light speed attack.

Naruto should be able to win with minimal difficulty. He just outstats Mael in every way except maybe physical strength. The only way I could possibly seeing Naruto lose this is if one of the commandment hax affects him.

@loveeveryone: I doubt NNT will reach planet levels because of the simplicity of the verses geographic location which is similar to old Britain (one country). The verse doesn't have a world scale map so reaching such levels would be unbelievable.

@demongod_pablo: The databook says “a sharp and pointed fang, it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to evade even one swing.”

Clearly the last part is a hyperbole, but that doesn't dismiss that the attack shouldn't be credited to LightSpeed. Naruto in SO6P dodged it with little distance.

Also Naruto is faster than Kaguya, as she couldn’t BFR him like she did with Sasuke.

That logic doesnt work at all. Youre trying to discredit literally every reaction feat period by saying "just because he reacted to it doesnt count"

Even then. If you stood in the middle of the road and waited for a car to come, you would dodge because you saw it coming first which mean you didnt react to it. Simply anticipated the car and moved accordingly. That analogy was terrible.

Either way you dont have to agree with the solid feat. Do you lol.

For now, Naruto still stomps.

Horrible mismatch, mael isn't beating BM naruto

Yes he is. Meliodas is enough to beat BM, Mael can definitely take him.

Naruto obviously wins this though.

@hittheassasin: Nope he isn't, BM naruto tanked an attack from the juubi, does mael have DC on juubi's level?? Bitch slapped mountain vapourisers, stalemated a combined attack from 5 bijuus etc

This deserve to be locked.

BM Naruto tanked one onehanded jab from an inexperienced, completely uncontrolled 1st form Juubi, then got half of his tails blown off by one multi-mountain level Juubi laser despite fully bracing himself and blocking with everything he had. So yes, considering BM Naruto has no feats of dealing with concentrated multi-mountain level slashes, Meliodas using Divine 1,000 Slices when Naruto attempts to charge up a Bijuubomb(or just when they're fighting, it doesn't really matter) results in Naruto and his Avatar getting reduced to a pile of ribbons.

@hittheassasin: the best feat in NNT is still meliodas destruction of danafor feat, which was something thats not above bm naruto, so give me feats that suggests Mael or mel beat BM naruto, and the juubi's laser beam in his 1st form is easily island level ++ considering it overpowered both hachibi's and kyuubi's continuous Bijuu dama. Again feats of mael or mel above the juubi's laser beam.

@uchihaghost: This is off-topic. If you wanna discuss this further, tag me on the BM Naruto vs Meliodas, or strongest Naruto character Meliodas can beat threads.

@hittheassasin: oh okay then, tag me.

Naruto can spam up to 1000+ clones, each can hold their own rasenshurikens which are mountain lvl, can use all the basic elements, each clone can summom their own Kurama avatars which can spam bijuu bombs, and in that form naruto can react to lightspeed atks

He has no feats against noodles with tomato sauce, 2 pieces of chicken, one piece of beef, and pepper beyond his imagination. All being eaten with a fork.

My meal stomps, low diff

I ate fries and hamburger an hour ago. I think Naruto can handle it.

Don't forget about Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenhsurikens

@justsomerandomkid: Your comment loosely acknowledges what was in mine to begin with, but here I’ll have an honest go at addressing your concerns.

1. Let’s get this one out of the way, my analogy. Your comment described a much more specific scenario that goes way deeper than the analogy I made. So the terrible analogy here must be yours, as I never said anything about standing in the middle of the road or watching the car coming or reacting with prior knowledge of the car at all. You put a LOT of words into my mouth to try to paint me like I’m the idiot rather than an actual debate between two people on an even ground.

2. Here’s the harder part, your claim that I’m somehow denying his feat or saying it doesn’t count. I never said his feat never happened, my disagreement was with the decision of a few of my fellow viners on what the feat’s result meant. Provide an actual argument as to why Naruto would have to be faster than light just to dodge a light speed attack. Characters that are slower than bullets have still dodged bullets, characters that are slower than vehicles have still dodged vehicles. I even acknowledged Naruto is definitely at bare minimum a Relativistic character which would still make his feat possible.

Either way, you don’t actually have to make an effort to be as rude on comicvine. Do you lol.