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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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@shadowpro said:
who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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@lordofallhumans:
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
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she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
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she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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who would win zelena from once apon a time or willow from Buffy the vampire slayer ?
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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I would say willow because she can drain people of magic.
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Willow wins
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this is why zelena wins.
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this is why zelena wins.
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this is why zelena wins.
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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Pfffttt. Willows speed, reality warping powers solo.


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@scotsummers: Willows better.
Destroying reality >>> anything you shown.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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@scotsummers: Willows better.
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mismatch.......
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mismatch.......
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mismatch.......
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mismatch.......
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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Ig zelena is out for blood she wins. If not she might not take willow seriously and lose.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
All Willow has to do is tell Zelena to kill herself with TP attacks.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.
Or drain Zelena of all her magic like she did Giles who had the sum power f all the witches in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.
Zelena gets BFRed through space and time lol.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Better yet, Zelena gets her soul swapped with a dead snake LMAO
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Look at that, Zelena is depowered and no counter. She kills herself, and no counter. Life stolen and no counter. BFR through time, space, realities, and no counter. Also not sure how Willow goes to the center of the earth when Willow is far faster, and better teleportation.

Willow has shown incredible speed here as a explosive bomb is set off, and in the blast itself she reacts and utters freeze, freezing the blast.
Speed feats of how much faster Willow is to Zelena, laughably so.

Willow shows she can dodge instantaneous explosions with teleporting dodges with said speed.
So this half ass TV character still loses to Willow. Fans going to hate.
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all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch
all zeleena needs to do is rip out her hart and tell willow to kill her self
or she could wave her hand and she could end up in the center of the earth
in other words willow is her bitch

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.

Willow here is miles away from Buffy, but Willow randomly is able to picks out her thoughts, and mocks Buffy

Willow mentally shuts down a cop with a word.


Willow casting Forget Spells that caused multiple people to forget events, or blind to what is going on around them. It worked even on both Buffy and Spike in one episode, and both are highly resistant to mental manipulations.

Willow at the height of her power in Season 6 shows the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of everyone on the planet. The emotions of those she was felling is what end up helping Willow to return to her humanity as well in the end.

While in a weaken state, Willow manages to mind control Anya. Anya is a Vengeance Demon, basically a genie for vengeance wishes. She has reality warp the entire world before under her power, and she states due to her power to be immune to mind mojo. Yet, she is mind control all the same.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.


Willow absorbs the magic used by Amy to counter all her spells. Willow when she first became Dark Willow absorb the magic right off the pages of every magic book Giles owned taking away their magic ability.


Willow also shown the power to rip the magic out of foes, like she had from Rack, a powerful Warlock. As well as Giles who was amped with the sum power of the most powerful Coevn in England.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.

BFRs the Troll God to another universe.


In these scans, Dark Willow of the future somehow locates Buffy in Europe, 200 years in the past, and then BFRs Buffy into the futur LA to get ambushed by Fray.
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.
Willow has shown several times to remove the life force or soul of beings, and put them into something else, or power magic.

Willow has shown that she can rip the life force from people to near death to power her spells.

Willow pulls the soul of a telepath demon out of a human body, and sticks the soul into a dead snake.




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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
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@callagassi72 said:
If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point. Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
@callagassi72 said:
If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
@callagassi72 said:
If she cant do that to rumple what makes u think she can do that to willow .who is way more powerful. Hell willow can mind control beings even ones immune to mind control. by just thinking it. And blood lusted willow fights elder gods skin people alive and can absorb magic and life force and almost destroyed earth because she was pissed off.so zelena has no chance. Willow can also disintergate beings with her thoughts.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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Who did Willow control that was immune to mind control? Anya? That was never actually proven and considering that Willow did it, it was just Anya trying to talk Willow out of trying it. The way I remember it they have never explored whether or not vengeance demons are immune to mind control so it would seem Anya was just talking out of her ass at that particular point.
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
Why do people say she almost destroyed the Earth like that is something she can just do on a whim? She could not have destroyed the Earth without the effigy and the power of the Earth, all Willow did was act as a conduit for the Earth's own power and considering that was the plan of the cult that actually built the effigy it's not some big feat that only Willow can accomplish.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.

She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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Its ok if thats how u feel probably ur own interpertation . considering how powerful vengeance demons are that they can rewrite reality u would think they would be immune to it. but willow can still mind control people just with her thoughts and will stomp zelena . And the fact that willow alone can do it by herself when it took an entire cult show how,she is that powerful . As anya said she was going to drain the world of its energy and use it. Plus after seen willow took on an old one which was a god of an entire universe by her self and won then threaten to take over it really says what she can do to the entire once upon a time cast . Willow fights world ending universe conquering gods . Can heal her self back from mortal injuries drains magic telepathay resurrection .im a fan of ouat but they cant touching willow .
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
I know right....
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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who can believe zelena can be a match for willow?
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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OK zelena puts a spell on the center of the earth so willow cant telly port her self out and gets burnt alive and and if she try's to fly out zelena puts her flying monkey's out side every volcano on earth then they rip her apart and she wouldn't be able to heal her self because she has ran out of power witch means she cant fight back the she dies.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@scotsummers: And Willow just lets this happen right.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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#22
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@sirfizzwhizz:
Prove she was talking out of her ass. In one episode alone Anya created a alternate world under her power where no one knew of Buffy except herself and Cordeliah. Anya has also mess with minds of people as has other Vengeance Demons. So why is she "talking out of her ass"? She stated they are immune to mental control, and for the most part that seems true for a being who makes worlds under their power. She is a damn Genie with feats.
Add to that, Spike, Angel, and Buffy all have high mental resistance or immunities, and yet Willow's spells work on them all every time.
What resistance feats does Zelena have if at all to mental attacks of Willow's scope?
The proof she was talking out of her ass was Willow mind controlling her meaning she was not immune to mind control. Anya created an alternate world under the power of D'Hoffryn granted her through her pendant, and how is that relevant within the context of this debate? She couldn't even get her pendant back without help from Willow, and still failed.
Spike, Angel and Buffy have high resistance to what? Buffy was easily enthralled by Dracula, Spike spent an entire season being the mentally manipulated bitch of the first and Willow should that the only thing vampires are immune to was mind reading because she was able to telepathically protect thoughts into his mind as a means of communication. Both Buffy and Angel were under the thrall of two ghosts.
What does Zelena having resistance have to do with my post? Read again I have not backed Zelena nor Willow in this fight, I was just addressing context. Anya is obviously not immune to mind control and with no examples of her or other vengeance demons being immune to, there is no reason to believe she was speaking the truth, as she was being untruthful most of that season as nobody knew she was a vengeance demon because she was hiding it.
She needed a object to focus through in Season 6. In season 9 she could destroy multiple realities under her power.
Season 9 is not relevant to the point I made about her not having the power to just wipe the Earth during the time the poster I responded to was talking about. When she was going to destroy the world it was not something she could just do, it was something that required the effigy and the Earth's own power.
She also gave birth to the Seed itself which is the sum of all magic in the Universe she resides in.
So, I like to see you argue that one if ya can why Zelena is more powerful.
It was never my position to argue for Zelena it was my position to add context to statements made about Willow and Anya.
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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@wispymatt: she has no choice i mean she's ran out of magical energy and she cant exactly beat them with her brains
Willow:wow im going to beat you with the 100 X tables
Zelena:oh do shut up
she clics her fingers and the monkey rip her apart
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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also willow i think willow lost the power to warp reality........at least i think she did XD
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Going w/Willow here
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Going w/Willow here
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