Pre 52, Diana has her Sword, Shield and Lasso

World War Hulk

Battle on Titan

Morals off, Bloodlusted, No bfr

Start 200 meters Apart

Bait

WW could take Black Bolt in CQC, but if he starts with an all-out scream it could hurt her good.

Problem is that Hulk could technically take both, Diana and Donna 1v1, so Team 1 has good chances either way.

Hulk solos.

Either one on team 1 beats either one on team 2.

BB solos.

Without BFR, i really don't see how Team 2 can put down Hulk.

Team 1 takes it.

Wonder Woman is without a doubt the most underrated character around Superman period, Black Bolt has not the slightest chance against a blood lusted and morals off Wonder Woman.

But to go back to the topic, Donna is a very weak link and World War Hulk in combination with no bfr just unfair for this. So Donna gets stomped And Wonder Woman has zero chance then.

@morbusgrav: A full power shot from BB would take WW out. She’s been taken down consistently by less.

Donna feels like a massive weak link

Donna would die from one thunder clap, she does not belong here.

@jmarshmallow: A bloodlusted Wonder Woman would speedblitz Bolt before he even has the chance to open his mouth. His voice has also failed to take out lesser so no chance is he soloing either. WWH carries Bolt if he’s lucky enough to survive.

@lvenger:

A whisper close range ko'd Gladiator and rocked The Sentry from a distance. Donna would be out. Thanos survived a scream, but against a BB back on earth after Kree torture and some throat damage.

Team 1 stomps WWH could easily beat either on on team 2 one on one.

diana blitzes bb making this wwh vs donna and ww

@strike3: Gladiator has a reputation for jobbing inconsistently so it's not quite as impressive to KO him as one might think. He's been KOed by less force than Bolt's whisper. Didn't say Donna would take the scream though, only Diana because of the bracelets and her speed allowing her to prevent a scream from happening. My opinion is that WWH solos anyway so whether or not Bolt can take out Diana is irrelevant.

Why is Donna here??? Y'all seen what WWH does to mid tiers right??? Replace her with like Black Adam or New 52 Superman

@lvenger: While his speed feats haven’t been as comprehensive as WW, he’s never shown to be lacking in that particular area. Travel speed wise, yeah WW obviously takes a clear advantage. But with combat speed, BB has enough feats to not be blitzed, and even a serious Diana doesn’t always utilize “capable of surprising Flash” speeds consistently. Not to mention that B.B. has AoEs that should make any advantage she does have in combat speed negligible.

As for the second part of your comment...when has a full shout from B.B. failed to take out a character weaker than Diana?

@jmarshmallow: BB's speed is not only not as comprehensive, it's flat out inferior. BB's best combat speed feat I've seen is in the supersonic range which is well below Wonder Woman's top combat speed in the massively hypersonic range. This thread has everybody bloodlusted so Diana has no reason to be hindered by her character consistency or morals not to blitz straight away. Nor have I seen AOE from Bolt that in any way negates the gigantic speed gap between the two or that would affect Diana at all.

Bolt's failed to take out Gladiator and Classic Hulk for one and Diana's bracelets have blocked far stronger attacks than Bolt's voice.

@lvenger: BB has tagged QS with his powers.

BB has never gone all out against Classic Hulk mate. They’ve fought twice IIRC, the first time B.B. was holding his own with pure physicals, then only a whisper was necessary to KO Hulk. The second time, he still held back his voice and they passed out at the same time, Hulk from Bolt’s voice and Bolt himself from the strain of his own power.

Him and Glads have fought multiple times, but I can’t think of a single time B.B. has had to full-on shout against him. If you wouldn’t mind, please provide scans for this claim.

Team 1.

Woman team stomps. Hulk irrelevant.

Black Bolt 1v2 lose.

This is another Hulk vs Wonder Woman thread in disguise.

@jmarshmallow:

BB has tagged QS with his powers.

Source for this? Because the only scan I found was of Quicksilver outrunning Bolt's voice whilst carrying Wanda. It shouldn't be above the speed of sound by definition anyway.

BB has never gone all out against Classic Hulk mate. They’ve fought twice IIRC, the first time B.B. was holding his own with pure physicals, then only a whisper was necessary to KO Hulk. The second time, he still held back his voice and they passed out at the same time, Hulk from Bolt’s voice and Bolt himself from the strain of his own power.

Bolt wasn't holding his own physically, Hulk quickly gained the upper hand toe to toe and Bolt was forced to use his voice. And it only stunned him momentarily as he's up on the second panel of the next page. Not sure about this second fight you're referring to though.

Him and Glads have fought multiple times, but I can’t think of a single time B.B. has had to full-on shout against him. If you wouldn’t mind, please provide scans for this claim.

I said a whisper failed to KO him. And a shout from Black Bolt failed to kill Vulcan. It messed him up badly sure, but he was still alive and would have regenerated had the Terrigen bomb not exploded.

Team 1, WWH solos to be completely honest.

LOL.

Hulk solostomps

How can team one win when they have no neck feats?

@lvenger: It wasn’t with his voice. It was with his Electron blast that he does: https://m.imgur.com/kAMLDZ8

I didn’t say he was winning, I said he was holding his own, which he certainly was. Hulk wasn’t absolutely dominating that fight off of pure strength. I’d be hard pressed to even say he had the upper hand. And BB knocked him down with a whisper is my point. Had he wanted, he could have kept whispering at him while he was on the ground, and that would’ve taken him out of the fight permanently. The fact there is that Bolt didn’t use a shout, which is the whole point of this argument. He’s never failed to KO an opponent weaker than Diana with a full-force shout.

The second scan I’m referring to is from Incredible Hulk #175. I don’t have a scan at the moment, apologies for that.

Bringing up a whisper failing against Glads is irrelevant, because he won’t be whispering in this fight.

I wouldn’t call the shout against Vulcan a full-power shout given the context of their fight, but either way as you mentioned it basically totally melted his skin off. Off the top of my head the only feats I can think of for Vulcan besides fighting Bolt is his fight with Warlock, which would still make him an opponent above WW.

All in all, there’s no reason why Boltagon’s full power scream wouldn’t, at MINIMUM, KO Diana.

@jmarshmallow: Um tagging a stationary Quicksilver is not a speed feat. Thing has tagged Quicksilver moving at 170 mph, not even a tenth of his top speed, and it's still better than what you've posted here. I'm kinda disappointed this isn't something more vague since it's pretty clear what's wrong with your scan.

Pre Core Breach Hulk has gotten better feats over time, that fight was during the same period where Thing and Namor were considered close rivals to the Hulk whereas a decade or two later both were significantly outclassed by the Hulk. You would be very hard pressed to reliably argue that Pre Core Breach Hulk doesn't have overwhelmingly superior strength to Bolt considering his consistent best showings. As for durability, Hulk has tanked more powerful attacks and he developed a ridiculously fast healing factor he didn't have during that first fight with Bolt. As for failing to KO a weaker opponent than Diana or Hulk, I already cited Gladiator and Vulcan.

That's fine, an issue reference is acceptable since I can look it up myself if I want.

Yeah it totally melted off his skin but Vulcan wasn't taken down. As for his fight with Warlock, Vulcan's energy absorption gave him the edge since Warlock's main form of attack is energy manipulation and I think Adam wasn't as powerful as other incarnations though I'm not an Adam Warlock expert so feel free to scrutinise this.

Maybe if Diana's bracelets were down but if she raises them, Bolt's not KOing her. She's blocked Silver Swan's scream, Zeus' lightning and blasts from Quantum beings that were wrecking Martian Manhunter.

@lvenger: Um tagging a stationary Quicksilver is not a speed feat. Thing has tagged Quicksilver moving at 170 mph, not even a tenth of his top speed, and it's still better than what you've posted here. I'm kinda disappointed this isn't something more vague since it's pretty clear what's wrong with your scan.

It's definitely not a speed feat in the typical H2H type of scenario we usually envision. But Pietro couldn't dodge it, so it's still a speed feat in the sense that Bolt's electrons are too fast for a speedster to dodge. Which means he'll be able to tag Diana.

Pre Core Breach Hulk has gotten better feats over time, that fight was during the same period where Thing and Namor were considered close rivals to the Hulk whereas a decade or two later both were significantly outclassed by the Hulk.

Thing and Namor were close to Hulk around 1970? I don't remember the exact year, but I'm pretty sure most Thing/Namor vs Hulk fights were like in the early 60s.

You would be very hard pressed to reliably argue that Pre Core Breach Hulk doesn't have overwhelmingly superior strength to Bolt considering his consistent best showings.

Why do you say that? What consistent showings does BB have that overwhelming put him under Hulk? He's always been shown to be around that level IMO, he even blocked a hit from Thanos.

As for durability, Hulk has tanked more powerful attacks and he developed a ridiculously fast healing factor he didn't have during that first fight with Bolt.

He has, sure, but again that wasn't a full scream from Bolt. Which it would be in this fight.

As for failing to KO a weaker opponent than Diana or Hulk, I already cited Gladiator and Vulcan.

Neither of which are valid because with Glads he only whispered, and with Vulcan not only did he not use his full power scream, Vulcan is still above Diana.

Yeah it totally melted off his skin but Vulcan wasn't taken down.

Vulcan's still above Diana though, if it melted him it should melt Diana as well. Saying it will only KO her is being generous IMO.

As for his fight with Warlock, Vulcan's energy absorption gave him the edge since Warlock's main form of attack is energy manipulation

He still fought physically with Warlock and was absolutely wrecking prior to taking his energy, the energy absorption shouldn't have had any bearing on that.

Although that being the case, using Vulcan to try to dismiss the power of Black Bolts scream is unfair, because Bolt's screams are a form of energy manipulation, which you just agreed Vulcan has an edge on.

and I think Adam wasn't as powerful as other incarnations though I'm not an Adam Warlock expert so feel free to scrutinise this.

IIRC the Adam that Vulcan fought was the Magus, who is essentially a bloodlusted Warlock and is pretty much the strongest incarnation of Adam besides classic Warlock that was a match for Thanos.

And again, trouncing him is the only feat Vulcan really has besides his fights with Bolt. So still far above Diana, which is the main point here.

Maybe if Diana's bracelets were down but if she raises them, Bolt's not KOing her.

Based off what Bolt's (depowered) scream did to Thanos and ripping a hole in space-time that's just not true.

She's blocked Silver Swan's scream,

SS's only feats are fighting WW, she is nowhere near Black Bolt dude.

Zeus' lightning

Actually I think Silver Swan was even mentioned to be comparable to Zeus power-wise, which leads me to my next point...

DC Zeus is pretty featless. So blocking his lightning isn't that impressive.

and blasts from Quantum beings that were wrecking Martian Manhunter.

I've never seen this, could you show some scans of that?

Even so, wouldn't that be an outlier? She has definitely been overpowered by Superman's punches while blocking, and MMH has tanked hits from Supes plenty of times.

That seems inconsistent.

Hulk solos while Black Bolt contains the laughter of Donna and Dianas pitiful attempts at fighting him.