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What if Graviton went looking for Thanos? MCU (2 Scenarios)















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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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feats for talbot












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#6
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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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#7
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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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#8
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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What if Graviton went looking for Thanos? MCU (2 Scenarios)















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#1
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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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#2
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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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#3
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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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#5
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feats for talbot












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#6
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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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#8
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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What if Graviton went looking for Thanos? MCU (2 Scenarios)















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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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#2
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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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#3
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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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#5
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feats for talbot












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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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#8
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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#2
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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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#3
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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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#5
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feats for talbot












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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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#2
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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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#3
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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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#5
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feats for talbot












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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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#7
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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.












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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.












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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.












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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.












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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.










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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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Scenario 1: In AoS, Graviton thought he could take on Thanos. Let's say in this scenario that Talbot before the finale or final fight with quake that he decides that he is going to fight Thanos and looks for him. Will he find him? Will he wait?


Scenario 2: Let's say AoS season 5 starts shortly before infinity war. Talbot becomes Graviton shortly before spiderman, iron man, and doctor strange are fighting ebony maw and cull . He then sets out for more Gravitonium and hears news about ebony maw and cull obsidian causing trouble. He then proceeds to fly to that location. How do you think the movie or the scenes will play out from there?


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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.








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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.








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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.







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My answer applies for both scenarios:


By feats, Graviton should steamroll through everything and everyone with no issue whatsoever.


In-universe, I think he'd give Thanos a good fight before being defeated.









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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



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@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...





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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.








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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.








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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.







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Wasn't it actually said thanos is more powerful than Gravitron? If so were they talking with or without the gauntlet? I have to assume Thanos would win in universe. I don't think the SHIELD agents really compare to the avengers in universe. The movie portion of the marvel universe is usually portrayed on the top of the food chain.




@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...



He didn't throw the whole moon. He blew off chunks of the moon and threw those chunks at the avengers. The moon was still there.





@rebake said:

@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...





@rebake said:


@the_magister_2: Graviton would steamroll Thanos with the IG too? He dismantled and threw a moon...













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feats for talbot








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feats for talbot








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feats for talbot







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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.








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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.








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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.







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@jashro44: IDK how seriously to take that statement, given the context.


They said Graviton couldn't take Thanos, but that was before he started buffing himself up by absorbing more Gravitonium. The guy making the statement also only saw him do one minor thing with his powers.


Also, about the SHIELD/Avengers thing, Daisy's arguably one of the top 3 most powerful superheroes in-universe now. Yo-Yo's easily faster than anyone on the Avengers roster, including Quicksilver before his death. People like May/Bobbi/Ward are considered peers to Widow/Hawkeye (and judging by the accolades/reputations AoS gives them, I think the showrunners treat them as superiors tbh).


They're definitely not as powerful as the Avengers on an aggregate, but they're certainly stacked. Though it's worth noting that Bobbi and Ward are gone now, so it's just May out of the three "super agents" who is still left.


But yeah, with all that being said... I agree in that I don't think Graviton would beat Thanos in-universe. The film writers just wouldn't want anyone to show up the big bad of the MCU like that. It'd be a good fight, though.









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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.








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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.








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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.







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@the_magister: Well regarding the agents of shield vs the avengers I would imagine featwise the agents have an edge in a lot of cases due to quantity of feats. But I feel like in the movies the avengers are the greatest heroes in universe. The way the shows constantly draw reference to the movies but its never the other way around.



I'm not even really saying they would win in a battle forum debate (I don't watch agents of SHIELD so featwise I am sure a case can be made for the agents) but I just feel if Kevin Feigie organized a crossover and the agents fought the avengers, the avengers would probably come out on top. I don't see the avengers losing in that hypothetical crossover. I mean there are statements of cap being able to pull off deathlok's bull dozer feat better than he can, and I doubt Thor or Hulk would lose to anyone. I also question anyone beating iron man. If they don't have the feats I imagine they would just be written stronger than they are in the movies. I know people like Melinda May have been compared to black widow, and she beat up some guy that nearly killed hawkeye but those are like the least important avengers so they would probably be an exception to the rule IMO. I can see those 2 losing in universe but other than that I think the avengers are just typically above the rest of the MCU in universe (unless we are talking about something mismatched like MCU Cap vs Daisey, but even than I can imagine them having cap win by using strategy and the environment sort of like how they had him beat spider-man).



All though I guess I am technically ignorant on how agents of SHEILD operates so I could be totally wrong.









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The_Magister
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.








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The_Magister
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.








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The_Magister
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.







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The_Magister
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@jashro44: You've mostly hit the spot imo. I also don't think the SHIELD agents would ever beat the Avengers, besides the exceptions you've already cited. Avengers are too stacked, and they're Earth's mightiest heroes. I was just saying that they aren't pushovers by any means.


My main point was that Graviton would lose to Thanos in a good fight most likely, if it happened. Especially after he buffed himself up with more Gravitonium. It's implied on AoS that the two of them fighting split the Earth apart and caused the apocalyptic future of humans being enslaved by Kree that we see in S5.









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