vs

Rules:

• Random encounter


• Bloodlusted


• Morals off


• Standard gear


• Win by any means

What wins & why?

Interesting match-up.

Going with STTGL.

Alien X blinks him out of existence.

Bump

STTGL stomps.

STTGL for me. Can reality warp on the same level, far better stats and other neat abilties like Probability manipulation

I'm not understanding how he does? Anti Spiral created a system where a sequence of universes are made each moment as they are recognized which the system speaks to contain infinite possibilities.

Sttgl stomps even lowballed as in ignoring the fact that he destroyed a 10-11 dimensional space

@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam said:

@guleddos said:

@galan_destroyer said:

@chad_duby said:

Alien X blinks him out of existence.

I'm not understanding how he does? Anti Spiral created a system where a sequence of universes are made each moment as they are recognized which the system speaks to contain infinite possibilities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a Quantum Multiverse you describe, and in this case, that Quantum structure requires the inquiry of perception to bring those infinite potential possibilities into reality and being, a universe by instant by instant it seems, from what I understand of your scans.

And if what I'm hearing of Ben 10 is true, Ben 10's Omniverse on the other hand, also follows a Quantum Multiverse structure with infinite possibilities, but these are independent alternate universes that are all equally real, adjacent to one another. And from what I hear, Celestialsapiens are Multiversal by scaling, implied power and WoG confirming that Alien X can wipe out the Multiverse in 6 thoughts (likely referring to the internal personalities of Alien X) which shouldn't be a big deal if the fight is bloodlusted.

Extra-dimensions merely measure the variability of different starting conditions for different Multi-Universal clusters in a Multiverse, by well, starting conditions. Nonetheless, the Multiverse of Ben 10 operates in 26 Bosonic Dimensions, that which the Celestialsapiens warped the animation style that pervaded said Multiverse a few times from what I hear, if you want to go by dimensional tiering that is.

@sungsam said:

@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam said:

@guleddos said:

@galan_destroyer said:

@chad_duby said:

Alien X blinks him out of existence.

I'm not understanding how he does? Anti Spiral created a system where a sequence of universes are made each moment as they are recognized which the system speaks to contain infinite possibilities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a Quantum Multiverse you describe, and in this case, that Quantum structure requires the inquiry of perception to bring those infinite potential possibilities into reality and being, a universe by instant by instant it seems, from what I understand of your scans.

And if what I'm hearing of Ben 10 is true, Ben 10's Omniverse on the other hand, also follows a Quantum Multiverse structure with infinite possibilities, but these are independent alternate universes that are all equally real, adjacent to one another. And from what I hear, Celestialsapiens are Multiversal by scaling, implied power and WoG confirming that Alien X can wipe out the Multiverse in 6 thoughts (likely referring to the internal personalities of Alien X) which shouldn't be a big deal if the fight is bloodlusted.

@savythegawd said:

Sttgl stomps even lowballed as in ignoring the fact that he destroyed a 10-11 dimensional space

Extra-dimensions merely measure the variability of different starting conditions for different Multi-Universal clusters in a Multiverse, by well, starting conditions. Nonetheless, the Multiverse of Ben 10 operates in 26 Bosonic Dimensions, that which the Celestialsapiens warped the animation style that pervaded said Multiverse a few times from what I hear, if you want to go by dimensional tiering that is.

I haven't seen anything like this in Ben 10. You are right about Anti Spiral's structure though.

@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam said:

@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam said:

@guleddos said:

@galan_destroyer said:

@chad_duby said:

Alien X blinks him out of existence.

I'm not understanding how he does? Anti Spiral created a system where a sequence of universes are made each moment as they are recognized which the system speaks to contain infinite possibilities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a Quantum Multiverse you describe, and in this case, that Quantum structure requires the inquiry of perception to bring those infinite potential possibilities into reality and being, a universe by instant by instant it seems, from what I understand of your scans.

And if what I'm hearing of Ben 10 is true, Ben 10's Omniverse on the other hand, also follows a Quantum Multiverse structure with infinite possibilities, but these are independent alternate universes that are all equally real, adjacent to one another. And from what I hear, Celestialsapiens are Multiversal by scaling, implied power and WoG confirming that Alien X can wipe out the Multiverse in 6 thoughts (likely referring to the internal personalities of Alien X) which shouldn't be a big deal if the fight is bloodlusted.

@savythegawd said:

Sttgl stomps even lowballed as in ignoring the fact that he destroyed a 10-11 dimensional space

Extra-dimensions merely measure the variability of different starting conditions for different Multi-Universal clusters in a Multiverse, by well, starting conditions. Nonetheless, the Multiverse of Ben 10 operates in 26 Bosonic Dimensions, that which the Celestialsapiens warped the animation style that pervaded said Multiverse a few times from what I hear, if you want to go by dimensional tiering that is.

I haven't seen anything like this in Ben 10. You are right about Anti Spiral's structure though.

Me neither, I don't watch Ben 10 or its spinoffs, but I'm mostly bouncing this off to you based on what I randomly read of Alien X on random threads. I could be wrong though, but Ben 10's Multiverse does have 26 Dimensions and a WoG confirmed (though not sure on feats) that Alien X is Multiversal, that's what I know for sure, everything else is what I only hear of and from.

@sungsam: alien x isn't affecting the 26 dimensions in the verse only the 4D. Also atomic x wihich is superior to alien x was 2 shotted by a 4D time alien. Also lets not ignore the fact that sttgl can take in the past present and future while alien x best speed feat is growing to the size of a galaxy and ttgl was throwing galaxies as ninja stars. Also the 26D aliens, nalijans, called the omnitrux and all of the aliens in it child's play. So lets not try to highball alien x to say he can destroy 26D spave when he was 2 shot by a 4D time alien and only shown 4D feats

Some good arguments, keep it going, guys : )

@kilgpmktra: the top thing alien x got is recreating a space-time continuum and atomic x is above that and still got two shotted by a 4D alien. The nalijans are 26D tho but ben cant copy them so irrelevant.

Are you certain that Atomic X is superior to Alien X, there are contradicting stories to yours that say it's the other way around, due to Atomic X being a hybrid from what I've read. And what's the name of this 4D Time Alien?

What about how the Celestialsapiens changed the animation style of Ben 10 three times over to the Ben 10 Omniverse as I heard? Said animation style exists as an aesthetic in multiple universes in the Multiverse as we've already seen? That demands that Celestialsapiens are Multiversal in influence within their own setting.

Nalijians are an issue for another topic, so I'll leave that alone.

Don't know much about STTGL, but popping in past, present and future is a 4D feat in on itself. That's popping in different instances in a timeline basically, unless you speak of multiple timelines, which I presume you are.

Got new Word of God fan answered questions and stuff regarding BEN 10, specifically Celestialsapiens and Naljians. from Herman from the MOA Team.

https://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:339773

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/cb/%D0%A1%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%88%D0%BE%D1%82_10-08-2018_145038.png/revision/latest?cb=20180810104034

Question 1: “Can the omnipotent beings #Celestialsapiens survive anything like Anur Vladius, Omniversal destruction, Timeline Destruction etc.? Can CS make themselves omniscience & omnipresence if they agreed?”

MOA ANSWER: This is a great question. It’s like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object! Celetialsapiens have almost godlike powers when they can agree on something, but, Anur Vladius is an aberration in the known universe. It’s like anti-life. So, one Celestialsapien pulled into Vladius’s grip would definitely perish. But, if a group of Celestialsapiens got together and were able to agree internally and externally to combat the planet, they would all be able to survive. The answer is the same for Omniversal and Timeline destruction. If the Celetialsapiens were aware that either was coming and formed a group that could agree in advance to bond their power, they would survive. If they were not aware of the impending threat of destruction, they would not be able to agree in advance, and would be undone by either phenomenon.

Part two of your question is bigger, but simpler. Celestialsapiens could indeed try to become Omniscient, but, since they are also aware that the enormous expenditure of power necessary to achieve an omniscient state could damage the universe, other Celestialsapiens would intervene and prevent their ascension to omniscient status. So yes, possible if they agreed, but it would never happen – they would never agree on that.

Question 2 – “ Duncan Rouleau confirmed #AtomicX is not #Omnipotent because he is only 1/2 Celestialsapien but we all know dividing Omnipotence is still Omnipotence - does that mean fusions don’t divide and only take limited amount of power from both aliens?”

MOA ANSWER: You express your point well, but we don’t agree with your basic premise. The premise of omnipotence is binary – something either is omnipotent, or it is not omnipotent. There is no such thing as partial omnipotence. In the case of ALIEN X, the very presence of Ben’s DNA in the mix means that ALIEN X is not omnipotent because Ben is not Omnipotent.

Question 3 – “Aren't #Naljians (26 Dimensional beings) the 2nd most powerful alien race just after Omnipotent Celestialsapiens? Aren't Celestialsapiens above dimensions (I mean they are not bound by dimensions)?

MOA ANSWER: The universe is not fully explored so there is no way to give a definitive ranking of most-to-least powerful species. That said, in the known universe that has been revealed in BEN 10, the Naljians appear to be the second most powerful. But then again, there is a Nalijian Destructor, so they obviously aren’t that powerful. Is there anyone else between them and the Celestialsapiens? Is there an entity or entities more powerful than Celetialsapiens? We have to keep some secrets and surprises for the future!!! For part two – yes, CPs are extra-dimensional beings.

Question 4 – “Didn’t the Celestialsapiens reboot/redesign all 26 dimensions and beyond?”

MOA ANSWER: The CPs rebooted at least one dimension but the very nature of a dimensional reboot is that one in existence – even the Celestialsapien making the adjustment – would remember the reboot – all beings are inside of the experience not outside of it.

Question 5 – “Can Celestialsapiens hurt other Celestialsapiens If not can Decisive Celestialsapiens like starbeard hurt non Decisive celestial sapiens? Or it can’t because all of them are equal?

MOA ANSWER: This one is easy! Decisive Celestialsapiens can indeed hurt non-decisive Celestialspaiens if they are more powerful than their opponent on the level in which they are attacking. If not, they can be hurt in return.

Thanks for all the questions! We love you super fans so much. Amazing! These questions were very in depth and required a lot of discussion among the multiple MAN OF ACTION crew. Sorry to keep you waiting for responses, but we hope they answer your questions! We have to duck out of this conversation now as we have soooooo much to do on the next round of Ben 10 stories! Take care!!!

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SUMMARY

Now,I don't like relying on Word of God so much, but information is information, and it is not my right to force anyone how to interpret information. So I will argue for this liberally against my own restrictive standards for the sake of argument.

So the analysis is this, WOG confirmation that Celestialsapiens are indeed above the 26 Dimensional Naljians but are not certain if there is a being above Celestialsapiens, or beings in levels of power between Celestialsapiens and Naljians, Atomic X was not more powerful than Alien X (for some reason Ben 10 didn't use Alien X to stop the Chronosapien Bomb because plot induced stupidity maybe?) and the Celestialsapiens are capable of surviving Timeline/Omniversal destruction but only if they are aware of it coming, and that Celestialsapiens are indeed, Extra-Dimensional beings. The Celestialsapiens rebooted at least one dimension of animation, but everyone would remember the animation retcon.

These are mostly author statements of course, feel free to interpret how you accept or reject it or not.

How that adds up to the fight of this thread if you take these statements seriously is beyond me.