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I have a question about repeated sampling. Let's say I am interested in the distribution of sample means. So what I would do is generate 10000 times a sample of size 1000 and look at the mean of each sample. Can I instead just take one sample of size 10000*1000 and then look at the mean of the first 1000 elements than from 1001 to 2000 and so on?










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  • Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
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I have a question about repeated sampling. Let's say I am interested in the distribution of sample means. So what I would do is generate 10000 times a sample of size 1000 and look at the mean of each sample. Can I instead just take one sample of size 10000*1000 and then look at the mean of the first 1000 elements than from 1001 to 2000 and so on?










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  • Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
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    Nov 12 '18 at 11:38














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I have a question about repeated sampling. Let's say I am interested in the distribution of sample means. So what I would do is generate 10000 times a sample of size 1000 and look at the mean of each sample. Can I instead just take one sample of size 10000*1000 and then look at the mean of the first 1000 elements than from 1001 to 2000 and so on?










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I have a question about repeated sampling. Let's say I am interested in the distribution of sample means. So what I would do is generate 10000 times a sample of size 1000 and look at the mean of each sample. Can I instead just take one sample of size 10000*1000 and then look at the mean of the first 1000 elements than from 1001 to 2000 and so on?







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  • Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
    – Rui Barradas
    Nov 12 '18 at 11:38

















  • Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
    – Rui Barradas
    Nov 12 '18 at 11:38
















Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
– Rui Barradas
Nov 12 '18 at 11:38





Yes, but it's simpler to do it the first way: X <- replicate(10000, rnorm(1000)); colMeans(X). Instead of rnorm use the distribution of your choice. And you should set.seed(<something>) before generating pseudo-random numbers.
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If you're controlling for the seed, both approaches should yield identical outcomes:



set.seed(1)
mean(sample(1:9, 3))
#[1] 5.666667
mean(sample(1:9, 3))
#[1] 4
mean(sample(1:9, 3))
# [1] 5.333333

set.seed(1)
x <- sample(1:9)
mean(x[1:3])
#[1] 5.666667
mean(x[4:6])
#[1] 4
mean(x[7:9])
# [1] 5.333333





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  • I don't get the same results using your code.
    – Johannes Heß
    Nov 12 '18 at 0:56










  • By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
    – user2554330
    Nov 12 '18 at 1:21


















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Here is an example that generates 10,000 sample means of 1,000 items drawn randomly from a uniform distribution. Based on the Central Limit Theorem, we expect these means to be normally distributed with a mean of 0.5.



# set seed to make reproducible 
set.seed(95014)
# generate 10,000 means of 1,000 items pulled from a uniform distribution
mean_x <- NULL
for (i in 1:10000)
mean_x <- c(mean_x,mean(runif(1000)))

hist(mean_x)


...and the output:



enter image description here






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    @ Len Greski
    I can also do it that way right?



    a <- runif(10000000)
    j <- 1
    x <- NULL
    while (j <= 10000000)
    x <- c(x,mean(a[j:(j+999)]))
    j <- j + 1000

    x
    hist(x)





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    • Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
      – Len Greski
      Nov 22 '18 at 15:11


















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    I would say yes. In taking 10,000,000 samples you've randomly sampled most of the experimental space. If you set.seed the same for both the approaches you mention you get the exact same answer. If you change the seed and run a t-test, the results are not significantly different.



    #First Method
    seed <- 5554
    set.seed(seed)
    group_of_means_1 <- replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000)))
    set.seed(seed)
    mean_of_means_1 <- mean(replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000))))

    #Method you propose
    set.seed(5554)
    big_sample <- data.frame(
    group=rep(1:10000, each=1000),
    samples=rnorm(10000 * 1000, 0, 1)
    )

    group_means_2 <- aggregate(samples ~ group,
    FUN = mean,
    data=big_sample)

    mean_of_means_2 <- mean(group_means_2$samples)

    #comparison
    mean_of_means_1 == mean_of_means_2

    t.test(group_of_means_1, group_means_2$samples)





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      If you're controlling for the seed, both approaches should yield identical outcomes:



      set.seed(1)
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 4
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      # [1] 5.333333

      set.seed(1)
      x <- sample(1:9)
      mean(x[1:3])
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(x[4:6])
      #[1] 4
      mean(x[7:9])
      # [1] 5.333333





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      • I don't get the same results using your code.
        – Johannes Heß
        Nov 12 '18 at 0:56










      • By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
        – user2554330
        Nov 12 '18 at 1:21















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      If you're controlling for the seed, both approaches should yield identical outcomes:



      set.seed(1)
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 4
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      # [1] 5.333333

      set.seed(1)
      x <- sample(1:9)
      mean(x[1:3])
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(x[4:6])
      #[1] 4
      mean(x[7:9])
      # [1] 5.333333





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      • I don't get the same results using your code.
        – Johannes Heß
        Nov 12 '18 at 0:56










      • By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
        – user2554330
        Nov 12 '18 at 1:21













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      If you're controlling for the seed, both approaches should yield identical outcomes:



      set.seed(1)
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 4
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      # [1] 5.333333

      set.seed(1)
      x <- sample(1:9)
      mean(x[1:3])
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(x[4:6])
      #[1] 4
      mean(x[7:9])
      # [1] 5.333333





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      If you're controlling for the seed, both approaches should yield identical outcomes:



      set.seed(1)
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      #[1] 4
      mean(sample(1:9, 3))
      # [1] 5.333333

      set.seed(1)
      x <- sample(1:9)
      mean(x[1:3])
      #[1] 5.666667
      mean(x[4:6])
      #[1] 4
      mean(x[7:9])
      # [1] 5.333333






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      • I don't get the same results using your code.
        – Johannes Heß
        Nov 12 '18 at 0:56










      • By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
        – user2554330
        Nov 12 '18 at 1:21
















      • I don't get the same results using your code.
        – Johannes Heß
        Nov 12 '18 at 0:56










      • By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
        – user2554330
        Nov 12 '18 at 1:21















      I don't get the same results using your code.
      – Johannes Heß
      Nov 12 '18 at 0:56




      I don't get the same results using your code.
      – Johannes Heß
      Nov 12 '18 at 0:56












      By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
      – user2554330
      Nov 12 '18 at 1:21




      By default, sampling is without replacement, so the example is wrong.
      – user2554330
      Nov 12 '18 at 1:21













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      Here is an example that generates 10,000 sample means of 1,000 items drawn randomly from a uniform distribution. Based on the Central Limit Theorem, we expect these means to be normally distributed with a mean of 0.5.



      # set seed to make reproducible 
      set.seed(95014)
      # generate 10,000 means of 1,000 items pulled from a uniform distribution
      mean_x <- NULL
      for (i in 1:10000)
      mean_x <- c(mean_x,mean(runif(1000)))

      hist(mean_x)


      ...and the output:



      enter image description here






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        Here is an example that generates 10,000 sample means of 1,000 items drawn randomly from a uniform distribution. Based on the Central Limit Theorem, we expect these means to be normally distributed with a mean of 0.5.



        # set seed to make reproducible 
        set.seed(95014)
        # generate 10,000 means of 1,000 items pulled from a uniform distribution
        mean_x <- NULL
        for (i in 1:10000)
        mean_x <- c(mean_x,mean(runif(1000)))

        hist(mean_x)


        ...and the output:



        enter image description here






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          Here is an example that generates 10,000 sample means of 1,000 items drawn randomly from a uniform distribution. Based on the Central Limit Theorem, we expect these means to be normally distributed with a mean of 0.5.



          # set seed to make reproducible 
          set.seed(95014)
          # generate 10,000 means of 1,000 items pulled from a uniform distribution
          mean_x <- NULL
          for (i in 1:10000)
          mean_x <- c(mean_x,mean(runif(1000)))

          hist(mean_x)


          ...and the output:



          enter image description here






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          Here is an example that generates 10,000 sample means of 1,000 items drawn randomly from a uniform distribution. Based on the Central Limit Theorem, we expect these means to be normally distributed with a mean of 0.5.



          # set seed to make reproducible 
          set.seed(95014)
          # generate 10,000 means of 1,000 items pulled from a uniform distribution
          mean_x <- NULL
          for (i in 1:10000)
          mean_x <- c(mean_x,mean(runif(1000)))

          hist(mean_x)


          ...and the output:



          enter image description here







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              @ Len Greski
              I can also do it that way right?



              a <- runif(10000000)
              j <- 1
              x <- NULL
              while (j <= 10000000)
              x <- c(x,mean(a[j:(j+999)]))
              j <- j + 1000

              x
              hist(x)





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              • Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
                – Len Greski
                Nov 22 '18 at 15:11















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              @ Len Greski
              I can also do it that way right?



              a <- runif(10000000)
              j <- 1
              x <- NULL
              while (j <= 10000000)
              x <- c(x,mean(a[j:(j+999)]))
              j <- j + 1000

              x
              hist(x)





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              • Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
                – Len Greski
                Nov 22 '18 at 15:11













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              @ Len Greski
              I can also do it that way right?



              a <- runif(10000000)
              j <- 1
              x <- NULL
              while (j <= 10000000)
              x <- c(x,mean(a[j:(j+999)]))
              j <- j + 1000

              x
              hist(x)





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              @ Len Greski
              I can also do it that way right?



              a <- runif(10000000)
              j <- 1
              x <- NULL
              while (j <= 10000000)
              x <- c(x,mean(a[j:(j+999)]))
              j <- j + 1000

              x
              hist(x)






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              • Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
                – Len Greski
                Nov 22 '18 at 15:11
















              • Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
                – Len Greski
                Nov 22 '18 at 15:11















              Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
              – Len Greski
              Nov 22 '18 at 15:11




              Yes, you can also accomplish the same result with the code you posted above if you add set.seed(95014) before the a <- runif(...) line. You can confirm this by calculating the difference between x in your code and mean_x in mine. The result will be a vector of zeroes.
              – Len Greski
              Nov 22 '18 at 15:11











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              I would say yes. In taking 10,000,000 samples you've randomly sampled most of the experimental space. If you set.seed the same for both the approaches you mention you get the exact same answer. If you change the seed and run a t-test, the results are not significantly different.



              #First Method
              seed <- 5554
              set.seed(seed)
              group_of_means_1 <- replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000)))
              set.seed(seed)
              mean_of_means_1 <- mean(replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000))))

              #Method you propose
              set.seed(5554)
              big_sample <- data.frame(
              group=rep(1:10000, each=1000),
              samples=rnorm(10000 * 1000, 0, 1)
              )

              group_means_2 <- aggregate(samples ~ group,
              FUN = mean,
              data=big_sample)

              mean_of_means_2 <- mean(group_means_2$samples)

              #comparison
              mean_of_means_1 == mean_of_means_2

              t.test(group_of_means_1, group_means_2$samples)





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                I would say yes. In taking 10,000,000 samples you've randomly sampled most of the experimental space. If you set.seed the same for both the approaches you mention you get the exact same answer. If you change the seed and run a t-test, the results are not significantly different.



                #First Method
                seed <- 5554
                set.seed(seed)
                group_of_means_1 <- replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000)))
                set.seed(seed)
                mean_of_means_1 <- mean(replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000))))

                #Method you propose
                set.seed(5554)
                big_sample <- data.frame(
                group=rep(1:10000, each=1000),
                samples=rnorm(10000 * 1000, 0, 1)
                )

                group_means_2 <- aggregate(samples ~ group,
                FUN = mean,
                data=big_sample)

                mean_of_means_2 <- mean(group_means_2$samples)

                #comparison
                mean_of_means_1 == mean_of_means_2

                t.test(group_of_means_1, group_means_2$samples)





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                  I would say yes. In taking 10,000,000 samples you've randomly sampled most of the experimental space. If you set.seed the same for both the approaches you mention you get the exact same answer. If you change the seed and run a t-test, the results are not significantly different.



                  #First Method
                  seed <- 5554
                  set.seed(seed)
                  group_of_means_1 <- replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000)))
                  set.seed(seed)
                  mean_of_means_1 <- mean(replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000))))

                  #Method you propose
                  set.seed(5554)
                  big_sample <- data.frame(
                  group=rep(1:10000, each=1000),
                  samples=rnorm(10000 * 1000, 0, 1)
                  )

                  group_means_2 <- aggregate(samples ~ group,
                  FUN = mean,
                  data=big_sample)

                  mean_of_means_2 <- mean(group_means_2$samples)

                  #comparison
                  mean_of_means_1 == mean_of_means_2

                  t.test(group_of_means_1, group_means_2$samples)





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                  I would say yes. In taking 10,000,000 samples you've randomly sampled most of the experimental space. If you set.seed the same for both the approaches you mention you get the exact same answer. If you change the seed and run a t-test, the results are not significantly different.



                  #First Method
                  seed <- 5554
                  set.seed(seed)
                  group_of_means_1 <- replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000)))
                  set.seed(seed)
                  mean_of_means_1 <- mean(replicate(n=10000, expr = mean(rnorm(1000))))

                  #Method you propose
                  set.seed(5554)
                  big_sample <- data.frame(
                  group=rep(1:10000, each=1000),
                  samples=rnorm(10000 * 1000, 0, 1)
                  )

                  group_means_2 <- aggregate(samples ~ group,
                  FUN = mean,
                  data=big_sample)

                  mean_of_means_2 <- mean(group_means_2$samples)

                  #comparison
                  mean_of_means_1 == mean_of_means_2

                  t.test(group_of_means_1, group_means_2$samples)






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