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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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War Machine vs Falcon
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier
Vision vs Scarlet Witch
Black Panther vs Hawkeye
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
@king_hellstorm said:
@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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Iron Man
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Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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Iron Man
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Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
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Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
@king_hellstorm said:
@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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Iron Man
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Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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Iron Man
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Winter Soldier
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Black Panther
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Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
Iron Man vs Captain America
War Machine vs Falcon
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier
Vision vs Scarlet Witch
Black Panther vs Hawkeye
Spider-Man vs Ant-Man
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
Iron Man vs Captain America
War Machine vs Falcon
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier
Vision vs Scarlet Witch
Black Panther vs Hawkeye
Spider-Man vs Ant-Man
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Ok each fight is isolated 1v1 battles. Fight to Death or K.O. Standard Gear. Morals gray. Who wins?
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Tony's team effortlessly stomps, they win every single matchup except for Vision vs SW and Peter vs Ant Man, the first one being highily debatable.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@frankthetank40: I said Team 1 wins. I never said that every member of Team 1 beats every member of Team 2. Winter Soldier is definitely superior to Black Widow.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
Tony was going for the kill during the final battle between him and super soldiers. Yet somehow they were able to beat him. I assume that was because Ant-Man already damaged his armor during the airport scene. But some people were arguing that he repaired it.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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@krleavenger: Nerfed isn't the word IMO. They held back a lot more than Cap did.
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
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@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
Considering it's all the people that faught in the Airport battle in CW, I'm sure it's the MCU versions. I'm kidna tired of stating again and again how this is Comicvine so I don't even bother trying anymore lol
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
There's huge context in their fights. And Krlv didn't say WS would lose to Widow anyway lol
@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
@krleavenger said:
Versions? Because if we are talking about comics, Tony blitzes the entire Team 2 and one shots them all. Unless Wanda pulls out her dues ex machina and solos both teams just by saying few words. If those are MCU versions then Team 1 still wins based on feats. They were seriously nerfed during Civil War.
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@krleavenger: How is widow beating Winter Soldier when he already got the upper hand on her?
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@anthp2000: LOL, it's more like Comic Book Movie Vine.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
True but does Rogers catching Tony mid-flight when he tried to blitz Bucky and holding him in place, preventing him from flying towards him make sense? It's not like he was aiming for Rogers there but Barnes. And still, his punches hurt Iron-man, and you can't hold back your durability. He seemed pretty nerfed to me.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: He couldn't fly plus I am pretty sure he held back against Cap, he only wanted to kill Bucky.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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@krleavenger: I guess so, but I don't remember Tony haveing many blunt force feats prior.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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Iron Man
War Machine
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Spider man
Btw, it was supposed to be Black Panther vs Winter Soldier and Black Widow vs Hawkeye. They way you put this question - 4:2 team Iron man. The way actually things went - 6:0 team Iron man.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
@frankthetank40 said:
@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@firestormfate1919:
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
If T'Challa was more skilled than Clint the fight would not have lasted as long as it did - against a practically bloodlusted Black Panther.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
In the highway fight, Widow gets the jump on Bucky from behind and gets him into a position that almost allowed her to choke him with her fiber wire. Bucky overpowers her and throws her away. First of all, this does not mean that she couldn't fight him head on and stall/have a prolonged fight with him in h2h (Clint, someone inferior to Widow, gave T'Challa, someone superior to Bucky, a tough fight up close that laster almost a minute / we've also seen other peak humans on Widow's tier giving good fights to metas just as or more impressive than Bucky). They do it through superior skill, and Natasha is much more skilled than Bucky, it shows from her fights with Clint.
Widow knew what she was up against - a Super Soldier with an assualt riffle aiming at her that couldn't be taken down by anything but her strongest moves - she had to approach him that way in order to take him down. By geting the jump on him, she managed to disarm him and almost kill him, but it turns out she just couldn't kill him, in any way there. He was too physically imposing to take down in melee with the tools she had available.
She had no reason to approach him head on to have a flashy exchange with him for the audience to enjoy. She would either take him down or not take him down. She just couldn't - that doesn't mean that she wouldn't last much longer if she wanted to, and it doesn't mean that she cannot take him down with standard equipment. Both times he faught her she was in civilian clothes, with no guns left (Bucky cannot tank bullets, and in their sniper fight he had the high ground and cover + 5 more shooters and an assault riffle vs Widow with 2 regular pistols, she still almost killed him), no fully charged Widow's Bite (the one that stunned the bulletproof Black Panther for a good while) and virtually no way of putting him down.
This is not the case here. She has the weaponry and output needed to put him down, the superior skill needed to outskill him, the superior reaction/combat speed needed to outmaneuver him. Under these circumstances, she's winning solidly imo.
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@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
@anthp2000: I meant to tag you for that.
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Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
@firestormfate1919 said:
Individually, teams are pretty even, with each taking 3 wins.
Iron Man vs Captain America: Cap couldn't even hang with a grounded Tony without Bucky's help, if Tony has free movement he just blasts Cap into next week.
War Machine vs Falcon: Rhodey has basically everything Sam has and more.
Black Widow vs Winter Soldier: This fight has already kinda happened twice, and Bucky was clearly very superior.
Vision vs Scarlet Witch: Wanda already took him down, she's got some kinda control over his Mind Stone.
Black Panther vs Hawkeye: Panther's got better stats, he's more skilled, and his suit is gonna be impervious to most anything Clint can throw at him, he takes this handily.
Spiderman vs Ant-Man: Lang can shrink out of Peter's webbing, he's gonna be difficult for an inexperienced combatant to deal with, and he can eventually go Giant-Man and stomp.
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