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Ultron:
Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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DOCTOR STRANGE | THE SORCERER SUPREME
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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MCU PYP ROUND ONE
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Ultron:
Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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DOCTOR STRANGE | THE SORCERER SUPREME
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
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As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
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As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Ultron:
Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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Ultron was an artificial intelligencepeacekeeping program created by Tony Stark from the decrypted code derived from the Mind Stone encased within Loki's own Scepter, retooled by himself with the help of Bruce Banner with the intent being to protect Earth from any and all domestic and extraterrestrial threats coming within the future. Possessing multiple of host bodies under his control as well as a variant of Stark's own personality, Ultron however had soon deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to peace on the Earth and attempted to create his technological singularity by committing genocide against them, leaving only his own doubles left in his wake.
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Battleplan:
Ultron is not dangerous because of his physicals, but because of his nature as an AI and incredible hacking skills. In the MCU, he existed as a nigh-omnipresent being inside the internet, and could not be physically killed without Vision hacking him.
With an entire day of prep, I think it's pretty obvious what Ultron would do here: Nuke everything.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
Considering the implications made in the movie, it shouldn't be hard for him to get some ICBMs to launch and blow up the whole airport (and most of the surrounding area) to hell. It'll be very hard for Strange to survive the concussive energy, heat, and radiation of several nukes detonating near him. Even stopping them in mid-air would be extremely hard, since this kind of missiles can move at even 20 times faster than sound.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
If needed, since he can multi-task pretty easily, he can hack into Stark's base and use his resources to create some other bodies as needed. Shouldn't take more than a few hours.
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DOCTOR STRANGE | THE SORCERER SUPREME
BIO
Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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DOCTOR STRANGE | THE SORCERER SUPREME
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
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As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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DOCTOR STRANGE | THE SORCERER SUPREME
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Stephen Strange was originally a brilliant yet arrogant neurosurgeon but suffered a nearly fatal car accident that left his hands crippled and unable to perform surgery. After conventional medicine and treatments failed to cure his hands Strange embarked in a search that led him to the Ancient One and was introduced to a new world of magic. He became a student of the Ancient One and mastered the Mystic Arts and now serves as one of Earth's protectors against extradimensional forces that threaten his universe (Credit to @wastelandman for the bio).
STRATEGY
As to now waste anytime, I will get right into the heart of the matter: Nukes. Now given my opponent's plan to nuke the area, it may seem like Doctor Strange is way in over his head trying to best someone of that capability. However, you will find that it is quite the contrary as I will explain in this post.
For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
COUNTERS
While I am clearly well prepared should Ultron decide to nuke the area, I have my reservations that he will actually go through with the plan.
That's what he wanted to do in Age of Ultron initially, and only couldn't because Jarvis was there to stop him. Fortunately, Jarvis isn't around anymore, so there's nothing stopping Ultron from getting access to nuclear codes from various nations around the world.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Now, sure, it'd be pretty hard for Ultron to survive that, but, as I already said, his body is not important, which is shown pretty well when he destroys his main body just to go well with the quote and look menacing. Even if it's destroyed, he'll still keep living on the internet. So, unless Steven has an Anti-Wifi spell, he's kinda screwed.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
CONCLUSION
As can be seen, Ultron's plan is a very unlikely scenario, but on the off chance it does come to pass, Doctor Strange is more than equipped to deal with it. In essence, the only viable and in character way for Ultron to definitively put down Doctor Strange is through fighting him directly, and in my next post, I will touch on why this is practically suicide.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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For starters, Doctor Strange gets one hour of prep on the battlefield, allowing him to use his abilities to their fullest potential. A prime exemplification of this is Doctor Strange's foresight ability, allowing him to foresee millions of possible futures within the span of seconds. So obviously, Doctor Strange will make use of this ability in this fight, foreseeing Ultron's plan coming into fruition like he did in Infinity War.
Eh, I don't think that's something he'd do here.
For one, as it's stated several times in Strange's solo movie, using the Time Stone is dangerous, it messes with space-time and stuff, so that's not something he'd do unless necessary. In Infinity War, Thanos was about to kill half of the universe, so it was important for Strange to use everything he had.
Here, he doesn't have any knowledge on his opponent, so I don't think he'd resort to that during his prep. As far as he knows, he's the Sorcerer Supreme, and there are very few people in the universe who even have a chance against him.
With this knowledge, Doctor Strange will then take the necessary precautions to ensure that the future where he survives becomes a reality. How can this future possibly come to pass you ask? Simple. Doctor Strange only needs one spell to perfectly counter Ultron's plan: The Mirror Dimension. With this spell, Doctor Strange can transport himself into the Mirror Dimension, a plane of existence that is unaffected by the real world. He has used this spell before to cancel out a spell that would have destroyed the Sanctum Sanatorium, proving that this is a viable, in character strategy for Doctor Strange to resort to. So after seeing the possible outcomes of the battle, Doctor Strange will then transport himself into the Mirror Dimension WAY BEFORE the nukes hit. For the remainder of my prep time, Doctor Strange can just wait for the nukes to hit before transporting himself back to the real world.
With this, he basically starts by BFRing himself out of the fight, which is fine, I guess. But he can't attack from the mirror dimension afaik, and that's important to keep in mind.
Now you may decide to bring up the radiation that would be ever present on the battlefield. Luckily, Doctor Strange has the ability to fly, allowing him to fly above the effects of the radiation and wait for Ultron to come back in a new body. And yes I say "wait for Ultron to come back" because in order to win against Doctor Strange, he would actually need to confront him at the airport.
Yeah, I don't think flying out of the effects of the radiation is going to work. Nukes are often detonated way above the surface, so the radiation should go pretty high.
Nukes are hella strong, dude. For example, here you can see the effects of a 50 kiloton nuke in New York. Anyone 1.6 kilometers around ground zero receives a dose of radiation with a 100% mortality rate, and the people at 3.4 kilometers around the place receive 3rd-degree burns.
And that's only a single nuke, of only 50 kilotons. Ultron can surely launch a lot more, with quite a higher yield than that. This is what a 1 megaton nuke would do, for example.
I don't think it'd be that simple for Strange to evade those effects.
In the video my opponent linked, it was never stated that Ultron wanted to nuke the area. It was simply brought up as something Ultron had the potential to do, something he COULD do, but that doesn't necessarily equate to something he WOULD do. This is especially relevant considering the fact that the conditions of the fight are "in character, but serious," and there is no evidence to suggest that Ultron would nuke the area in character, especially since he prefers to get his hands dirty.
Ultron had a personal grudge against the Avengers and wanted to have a fight with them before killing the whole planet in the most symbolic way he could imagine. He has no such grudge against Strange, so he can just do everything in the most practical way, as a machine should do . . .
Anyway, they say it explicitly that Ultron was trying to get those codes, he only couldn't because JARVIS was stopping him, so he had to resort to that meteor plan he used in the end.
No JARVIS around anymore, so there's no reason for him to not nuke that guy he has to fight at an airport for some reason, before blowing up the rest of the world to hell, as was his plan all along.
I have a problem with this. In the video linked, Ultron only survived because he had a new body ready to go that he could immediately transfer to. And it doesn't seem like his heart was destroyed in that video, which is another reason that he was able to survive that scenario. However, we have know that if Ultron's heart is destroyed, he will die. Thus, I find it doubtful that Ultron will be able to live on in the internet when he have never seen him do that, at least not after his body has been destroyed. And make no mistake, Ultron's body will be destroyed as he simply doesn't have the durability feats to tank several nukes.
Ultron's heart doesn't mean anything, his bodies can be destroyed in many different ways, but his consciousness will keep living on the internet, that's why they had to disconnect him, then destroy all his bodies. If it was just a matter of killing all the bodies, Vision wouldn't have to do that.
TLDR:
Strange's only way of survival is to use the Time Stone to see the future, which I doubt he'd do, then BFR himself out of the place, then find a way to deal with the fallout of possibly dozens of nukes. Not an easy task, while Ultron can survive without a body and is basically unkillable in this scenario.
If it's absolutely required for Ultron to physically be on the battlefield, he can send some disposable bots first, let them be destroyed, then arrive later with his Vibranium form, that, while unable to take a direct hit from a nuke, can probably survive the after effects, since radiation wouldn't affect his mechanical body, and the heat shouldn't be enough to melt him.
Strange's fleshly body wouldn't be so lucky.
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