Ult. Captain America

Batman and Daredevil

Da Rules

• Random encounter


• Basic knowledge


• In character


• Win by death/Ko/Incap.


• Pre-Post Flashpoint Batman/Earth 616 Daredevil/Earth 1610 Captain America

Location

He could beat either one on one without much difficult but I don’t think he could beat both

Duo comfortably. Both of them are more skilled than him, just as fast and agile and are more versatile. Matt relies on his agility and senses coupled with his skill to overwhelm his opponent, throwing his billy clubs to either hit his opponent directly or richochet and then hit them to cause a distraction. Then he can come and drop them with pressure points. While I doubt he can do this by himself, Bruce's has superior tactical mind than Ult. Cap and his gear will be extremely useful here. I really don't see him winning.

Frankly I do think Ultimate Captain America is extremely overhyped. Sure, he gets to fight 100 tonners more often and tank their direct blows, but fighting them is not something beyond the level of other street levelers. I don't consider him to be superior to someone like Deathstroke, and I most certainly don't think he is 616 Peter Parker level like people make him out to be. Both of these guys are more versatile, smarter and better martial arts with established skill, versatile gear, tactical skills and stats good enough to at least compete.

Team. I reckon Cap could take both 1 V 1 but as a duo, the combined strength, speed and combat mastery is too much.

Team, handily.

Team takes this

@brucerogers:

Batman solos imo.

Still Cap, though barely. His vastly superior physicals and tactical mind will pull him through

Team MVP Bats

Team Wins

Team Handily, other then a not huge Strength/durability advantage, Ultimate Cap has nothing really going for him

Cap.

Batman solos honestly. Aside from his strength and durability, Ultimate Cap isn't that impressive.

Was gonna say team until I saw this. He would literally one shot.

The strength/durability gap is pretty damn huge, he could comfortably one-shot Daredevil, and I doubt Batman could last for more than three hits. And it will take an absolute beating for them to put him down.

I would give it to team overall due to better skill and equal speed plus a gear advantage, but it'll be a seriously brutal fight.

@blackpantherisb: He isnt one shotting Daredevil when stronger have tried and failed.

@blackpantherisb:

The strength/durability gap is pretty damn huge, he could comfortably one-shot Daredevil, and I doubt Batman could last for more than three hits. And it will take an absolute beating for them to put him down.

I honestly don't see why. IIRC, his best feats are pillar busting and hurting the weakest version of Ultimate Hulk, who I who isn't really all that impressive. Neither of those feats are good enough to say he can one-shot Daredevil or 3 shot Bats, especially since IIRC he was able to land damn good hits against Hulk, which he can't land against people as skilled and speedy as Daredevil or Batman.

Batman solos honestly. Ult. Cap is more durable and might be stronger, but Bruce is way more skilled, much faster, more tactical fighter, far more versatile and effective gear that can put him down in multiple ways. I don't see Steve consistently landing any clean hits due to Bruce's superior fighting skill, tactical abilities, speed and effective use of gear/diversionary gear tactics, and even if he does land them, I don't see Rogers outputting more force than the beatings Bruce has took and fought through. With Daredevil, team gives Cap a one-sided beatdown. Honestly, Bruce might put him down with his absurd striking power eventually, and Matt can easily put him down with nerve strikes/pressure points (well, both can).

@blackpantherisb care to make a case for why Rogers would put down Batman in only 3 hits?

That feat is extreme pis.

@kalkent: It's not PIS. It's just early, way weaker version of Ultimate Hulk with barely and feats (Ult. Hulk constantly becomes stronger, and this is early version of the character so feats after that instance don't apply). On top of it, literally during the next panel, Hulk ragdolled Steve and was 100% fine.

@lanternbatman:

The thing is in character Matt would probably think this is the 616 version of Cap who is probably weaker. Ult Cap has matched Miss America in speed, even held his own against Spidey. I don't see why he would win.

Batman could already solo, adding Daredevil makes it a mismatch.

who bumped this lol

First, ultimate spider-man<<<<<616 Peter, and instances of cap hanging with a fully experience peter is TERRIBLE writing, spider-man would wreck steve.

@kalkent: Ultimate Spidey and Ultimate Cap is a good fight. Don’t know why you think it’s PIS

I am talking about instances of 616 cap hanging with 616 peter. OT- The duo is more skilled by a comfortable margin, has the speed to dodge his hits, and can lay down a beating of their own. I don't think steve can win this.

@kalkent: Neither of whom have anything to do with this thread and the person you tagged was clearly talking about Ultimate Versions

@kalkent: Again, that's not PIS either. It's contextual. The reason why Cap held his own against Peter was because he studied his fighting style and knew about most of his moves. Peter tagged him the second he used something Rogers didn't study before, those being Iron Spider legs.

Not sure how that's relevant to this thread but just like the previous thing I brought up, it's not PIS. It's contextual instance.

Hulk got right back up after this.

@jashro44: Yea I know but still being able to drop the Hulk is a worthy feat.