And they rise again in the end so they can win?

For examples: Nolan Batman Trilogy, Ironman, Avengers etc

To show the audience that this villain is the real deal.

Plot

Yet in begins or tdk batman didn't lose.

that's not the case for all of the films you've mentioned.

regardless, it's usually to show that the foe is a major threat to the hero. the best examples i can think of are the early spider-man comics, where peter almost always lost the first (or first few, as with scorpion) encounter with a supervillain and managed to triumph later on.

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Basic storytelling 101. Establish the villain as a real threat and something for the hero to have to overcome. Usually by learning something about themselves along the way.

Lol wtf.

Hero beats Villain when they first meet

Hero gets stronger as the plot progresses

Are you telling me Villain is still a threat to a stronger version of Hero?

Villains need to be treated as threats...

Because if they didn't most movies would be over way too quickly.

Because classic Storytelling structure?

Imagine if all your favorite protagonists just bonked the main baddie off rip and that was the end of it. Would be pretty uninteresting. (This is my main issue with One Punch Man)

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Plot reasons.

So the viewer knows he's a credible threat.

Why do villains always lose when they're literally seconds away from finally winning. Just how it is.

@blueshoecant: this is simply a three act plot point. It's a proven formula that has worked in all forms of media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-act_structure

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plot progression,stalling and forced character development.

A lot of people like an underdog story.

Also to establish the villain as a threat.

Progress lost obeys transformation.

@deathstroke512: he lost, when he tried to confront Falcone get trashed by his goons

@blueshoecant: That was Bruce Wayne not batman and he wasn't even trained at the time.Lol,if you are going to use that hero got beaten when he was a kid or he didn't even have his training or powers and expect him to win then ofcourse they would lose.Also its a poor example since he wasn't even fighting,he let his pockets get checked,didn't carry a gun and had no intention of beating anyone and even if he had training let's say then too its highly unlikely for bruce to beat the crap out of Falcone and his thugs in public in front of judge and other people just like he didn't beat joker and his goons as bruce Wayne when they attacked at the party. So yeah he didn't lose.